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  1. Why are my ceramic tiles Tenting and Debonding? - I have a two story house with for rooms and my ceramic tile floor has tiles that are tenting up and debonding, but there are no cracks in the concrete.
  2. Why is my Ceramic Tile Chipping? - We have installed a new ceramic tile in auto showroom and it is chipping. Is there a standard with a test for termining if the ceramic tile is chip resistant?
  3. How do you waterproof a tile floor that is already installed? - trying to waterproof 18 x18 inch ceramic tiles on bathroom floors. spills are passing through to the floor below.
  4. Marble Wall Buckling/Debonding Failure - wondering if you had any insight as to why marble walls would buckle and bulge out after just a few years. The floor to ceiling marble tile is in a room containing a indoor pool/ritual bath. there is alot of humidity in the room and the pool itself is constantly being cleaned with strong chemicals. we've heard reasons such as oxidation of thinset, not large enough grout lines etc. we've had contractors look at the job who have said the original installation was good.the walls are cement block behind the tiles.thanks
  5. Marble Tile Failure - Why is my Marble Tile Tenting (lifting Up - debonding) - I WOULD LIKE SOME INFORMATION ON A PROBLEM I HAVE WITH MY MARBLE FLOOR IN MY APARTMENT. AS YOU KNOW THIS WINTER IN MIAMI WAS THE COLDEST IN 20 YEARS. WE HAD NIGHTS OF 29 TO 39 DEGREES. ON THE COLDEST NIGHT OF JANUARY MY FLOOR AT ABOUT 2 AM POPPED LIKE A FIRE CRAKER AN KEPT ON POOPING DURING THE NIGHT. MY TILES WERE UPLIFTED IN SEVERAL AREAS OF THE APARTMENT. I LIVE IN THE 14TH FLOOR THE BLDG IT HAS POST TENSION WIRES. COULD THIS HAD BEEN CAUSED BY THE FLOOR CONTRACTING BY THE COLD TEMPERATURES.
  6. Stone that was Installed doesn't match the Samples - My spouse and I had Crema Marfil marble tiles installed in our ensuite bathroom (residential home). The tiles (over 50%) have black spots or patches (see photos attached). In selecting the Crema Marfil marble tiles, none of the display boards or samples provided to us contained any of the black patches. Thus, we fully expected that the Crema Marfil marble installed would have no black patches. We are of the opinion the tiles should not contain these black spots and the tiles are either defective or sub-standard quality and are not suitable for use in a residential application. We would appreciate your comments on the tiles (& black spots/patches) We believe the defect which is evident is known as "colour patches".
  7. Ceramic Tile hollow, loose and grout cracking: we're having problems on a newly layed ceramic tile floor (kitchen) developing grout line cracks and upon investigating, are finding that the thinset w/latex is mostly bonded to the tile but not always to the plywood beneath. All of the materials used and the structural components are acceptible (2x10 fir joists on 16" centers with additional bracing set on a new block foundation with a total of 1 1/4" of exterior grade plywood flooring screwed on 6" centers throughout) and the cracks have all developed in the areas we walk or stand the most (in front of stove etc). We've taken a rubber mallet all over the floor and can hear a hollow sound beneath the tiles adjacent to the cracks, but also under 2 other tiles where we've never put weight on. The other fact is that the mudroom was also done at the same time with the same materials, but it seems fine. the tile was layed on one day (ending about 3pm)and our installer said it would be fine to walk on the following morning (7ish). We followed his instructions, but had no reason to go in the mudroom for many more hours. The temp. in our house is between 60 and 65 at night - is it reasonable to think the thinset was bonded by the morning or might we have dislodged it at 16 hrs.. or is it a bad batch of thin set...or should we be looking else wear. thank you for your expertise!
  8. Ceramic Tile Hollow and Grout Cracking - Could you respond to the following case scenerio? PROBLEM: We installed two ceramic tile floors. They have both developed the following problems: 1. THE GROUT IS CRACKING 2. THE TILES ARE NOT ADHERING TO THE MORTAR BED (POOR OR NO ADHERENCE TO MORTAR) EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE INSTALLATION : 1.WE HAVE LIMITED CERAMIC TILE INSTALLATION EXPERIENCE. (WE’RE NOT PROFESSIONALS) 2.WE DROPPED THE TILES INTO A BED OF MORTAR ON CONCRETE BACKBOARD. 3.WE LATER READ ON THE BAG THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO PUT A SKIM COAT OF MORTAR ON THE BACK OF THE TILES BEFORE DROPPING THEM IN THE BED OF MORTAR. . (WE DIDN’T DO THIS) 4.THE INSTALLATION TOOK PLACE DURING A VERY COLD STRETCH OF WEATHER. THE MORTAR AND GROUT WERE MIXED IN A 15-20 DEGREE GARAGE. WOULD IT MATTER IF THEY WERE IN THAT COLD BEFORE OR AFTER MIXING? 5.THE TILES THEMSELVES WERE STORED IN THE SAME 15-20 DEGREE GARAGE. THEY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ROOM TEMPERATURE WHEN INSTALLED. 6.THE ROOMS WHERE THE INSTALLATIONS TOOK PLACE WERE BOTH INTERIOR ROOMS. Finally, how would we go about repairing the floors? Should we pop up and repair as many as possible or is somehting else required? We're not looking for any short cuts. We want the floors to be the best they can be. CAN YOU HELP?
  9. Tile lost bond - I have ceramic tile that was installed over 12 yrs ago.It was installed over concrete in a home that is 25-30 yrs old.The areas had carpet installed originly.Some areas of tile have broken bond (with the thinset still bonded to the tile).This has happened over the last few years, with the most recent this past week.There doesn't appear to be anything on the surface of the concrete. (I have tested it for absorbtion).It absorbs moisture.I would appreciate any comments on this problem.
  10. Cracks in Tile - Our home was completed in March 2005. We paid thousands extra to have a ceramic tile floor installed downstairs (appx 800 sq feet). Fifteen tiles have cracked at different times in 5 different areas. Cracks have appeared over night, including a crack over 40 inches long. The builder claims that the cracks our because of the house settling and that it is not a standard practice to install membrane on the foundation prior to tile installation. The builder refuses to do any repairs. I believe that the absence of a membrane is causing the excessive cracking. Is installation of a membrane over the foundation an industry standard? Could this amount of cracking indicate improper installation? Do you have a local inspector who I could work with?
  11. Tile Tenting and Hollow Sounding Tile - I had a house built in Florida and closed in December of 2005. I have 16" tile throughout the house which is tenting in two places and sounds hollow in almost every area. I've contacted my builder and started a claim under Florida's law covering latent construction defects. Right now I'm trying to line up a potential consultant to inspect this problem because I don't know what solution, if any, my builder and tile vendor might offer. So first of all, do you offer service in Florida? Do you review offers to repair this if my builder proposes such a plan?
  12. Hydrostatic Pressure causing tile to Debond? - you mention hydrostatic pressure can make tile tent--how do you resolve that problem?
  13. Granite Counter Top has Cracked - Hi there. We recently had a granite counter installed and it is broken on the side of the island from top to bottom and it is quite noticeable. The company who installed it is saying that we are responsible for any damage since we picked out the slab but we never saw the actual slab we purchased as the manufacturer just showed us a sample and the company also did not call us when the slab arrived before he cut it to provide our final approval. Can he do this to us? he never advised us verbally or in writing that we were responsible to check for any defects to the slabs and that it is normal to have visibly broken or cracked granite counters installed. We never saw any defects or broken pieces in the sample slab we chose and were completely unhappy when we saw the end work and with the isntallation as he also ruined our brend new cupboard underneath the counter which he is denying.We are going to take him to small claims court and would like to ask your opinion on what you think went wrong.The company is now insisting that cracks are normal in granite but this counter is actually broken and he never advised us to expect this.He didn't even given us an invoice explaining these conditions and that we were responsible. Please advise and thank you.
  14. Brick Floor Grout Cracking and Varies in width Excessively - I had a brick paver floor installed in my kitchen in July 2009. The subfloor is plywood, topped with cement board. The installer did not clean the grout off the surface of the bricks well, and there are grout lines which range from 1/2 inch to 1 and 1/2 inches in size. He also installed and left there a brick that is broken through and through. The entire floor is very unsightly, but the owner of the company that installed it will not do anything about it, so I am going to have to pursue legal action. In the meantime, the grout has begun to crack. What would be the likely cause of the cracking?
  15. Glass Tile Water fountain leaking - I have a waterfountain with glass tile installed over it that is leaking and some tiles have come loose. What would cause it to leak and the tiles to come loose? How can we fix it?
  16. Swimming Pool and Spa has tile falling off - I have a swimming pool and spa that has tile on its surface. It was only installed a year ago and we have tiles falling off. What could be causing this and what can we do to repair it?
  17. Tile falling off of Building Exterior Veneer (facade) - We have a 3-story office building where several tiles have fallen off over the last year. What could be causing this and what can we do to prevent more from falling off?
  18. Exterior Deck (balcony) is leaking - I have an exterior deck (balcony) that is leaking, it has white stains along the font face of it, and tiles seem to be loose. What could be causing this and what can we do to fix it?
  19. Tile Shower is Leaking - Outside of our shower the floor stays damp and it smells very musky. What can we do to fix these problems?
  20. Unhappy with Granite Installation - I hired local company to reface my kirchen cabinets and install granite in my kitchen, bathrooms, living room. They are one month behind scheduled date for work to be done and whatever they did so far was done very unprofessional. I would like to know how CTaSC can help me to protect my investment and recover my lost?
  21. Tenting Tile (debonding) - I am having a problem with ceramic tile in my kitchen tenting as to where we have already pulled up 55 sq ft.The insuranc ecompany is saying it's because it was laid on a dirty slab. The tile was put down in 1995. The other day we spotted water coming through the grout. Could the dirty slab statement be true or a possible slab leak?
  22. Tile Edge Flaking - Some of the 12x12 wall ceramic tiles in our shower seem to be flaking on the edges. The floor tiles that get wet do not have this happening. The grout seems to be fine between all the wall tiles. What would cause the edges to do this? Do I need to reseal the tiles? Thank you.
  23. Wearing on Ceramic Tile Surface - I have a white marbleized tile (gray and beige tones underneath) throughout my home except for the bedrooms. The kitchen tiles seem to be wearing away. There are gray spots showing especially around the edges, but also in the center of some tiles. I have had the floor professionally cleaned, but the spots are still there. Any suggestions of repair or replacement without having to do the entire house. The house is an "open plan" with a great room.
  24. Polishing Marks on Polished Stone - I have a 24 x 24 polished stone tile installed in a residence where they have windows along one side of the house. When you step back and look at the floor at a 30-45 degree angle, you notice ‘hazy stripes’ in the floor. Probably belt marks from manufacturing. I have gone through all the testing materials and don’t really see anything regarding ‘polish’. Any ideas where I might find anything?
  25. Grout Failure - We built our home in 2004/05. We have a slab subfloor with porcelain tile over it. Within just a month of closing, we began to notice the grout crumbling and powdering. We of course, complained to the builder; who had the "spots" regrouted several times.We were finally told it was a normal occurance.Over a 4 1/2 year period the problem became worse, especially in the traffic areas. We had pinhole that turned into voids throughout the family/kitchen areas. This summer, we notified the builder of our intent to sue for "Latent Defects". He had his tilepeople regrout the entire kit/family area. Within 40 days of installation of the new grout the problems have begun again and we are seeing it more in other parts of the house. We suspect we may have some issue with the slab (improper curing or a moisture source). What is your opinion about what we should do next? This is a $600K home with close to $30k in tile work.
  26. Hollow Sounding Tiles - Recently the work of laying floor tiles in my house was completed. But i have found that there are some voids beneath some tiles. There are different types of voids. Some are at the centre of the tile. Again some are at the edge of the tiles. how can these be harmful???
  27. Holes in Travertine Tiles - We have some new travertine pavers in our lobby which are failing after 3 years. We have divots where these failures have happened. What can we use to repair or fill these with? What is the process?
  28. Travertine Cracks in Shower Floor - Our shower floor is set with Travertine. The house is about 5 years old and now we have noticed, what appears to be, long cracks across the tiles (not in the grout). The cracks are filled with what looks like to be hard water deposits. What could make this happen?
  29. Staining in Granite Countertop - I need some advice. I recently contracted with a kitchen company to purchase new cabinets and have granite installed in my home. When teh granite was installed I noticed that there was a yellowish trail of discoloration of approx. 1 1/2 feet to 2 feet in length. There is no particular pattern and the discoloration (which looks like spilled coffee) is not shown in any other piece of the installed granite. I contracted with the kitchen company and they sub-contracted with the granite supplier and the fabricator. I am totally not happy with the discoloration and with the kitchen company because they have not been an advocate for me as their customer to provide any solutions to my problems. Also, I feel that the fabricator should have either asked me to choose another piece of slab or cut around the lengthy discoloration rather than installing such a piece of granite. I am seeking some professional advise. Two photos are attached.
  30. Tile Debonding and Cracking After Flood - My home was constructed in 2003 and experienced Hurricane Katrina in 2005. About a foot of saltwater flood my home during Katrina causing, what I thought, only damage to my personal property. In 2007 and recently I began to notice cracked tile, and tile seperation throughout my home. The tile is 12" x 12" porcelain tile over a concrete slab slab. Total square footage is 1800. Do you think the salty water from the flood caused this loss bond and if so how?
  31. Resin Back Stone Debonding - I have a 18" marble installed over hardibacker, the marble has a mesh that was slurried on back with some kind of epoxy or glue did not get a bond with the marble thinset the distributer said it would be ok to install with latex type marble -granite. There are other floors that meet up and no problems on them. i feel the barrier on back is the problem, can you respond?
  32. Epoxy Grout Problem - I am very distraught about a job that was done in our shower stall. The worker convinced me to use epoxy grout on the shower floor, as well as the side walls. He used white grout and did a lousy job. There are grainy spots as well as uneven layers, and pinholes. Not to mention that the white has yellowed! Could I spread regular grout on top of epoxy grout? Or could I paint it with white epoxy sealant?
  33. Saltillo Tile Flood Damage - I found your web site while searching on the Internet for tile problems. I am hoping you can give me some advice. Our home was flooded by Hurricane Ike in Sept 08. The saltillo tile in our kitchen had water on it for several days and the tile started popping up. The insurance company said it is not covered for replacement cause flood water does not damage tile! The tile is over 10 years old and we never had a problem with it until our home flooded. Is it true that flood water that gets under your tile or foundation cannot harm the tile? Thank you for any help you could give me.
  34. Tile Damaged by Acid - Last year the contractor fixed for my house porcelain tiles. After fixing he diluted a little acid in water to do the cleaning. At first it was ok but now as time goes the floor looks faded and the shine has decreased. it looks like there is a layer of dirt on top of the tiles. is there any way to solve this problem?
  35. Excessive Tile Lippage at tile edge - I’m not sure if you can answer a question for me that I have had a hard time finding the answer to. Is there a lippage requirement on ceramic tile floor in California? I think I have 16 or 18 inch floor tiles that the installation is very uneven.
  36. Grout Chipping and Powdering - I have a floor that the grout is chalking and chipping, It has been sealed. this is occuring even in nontraffic areas. What could be some of the causes?
  37. Moisture Problem in Tile Floor - We have a problem with our 2 year old house. The tile is coming up in places. The contractor tested for moisture in the slab because I wanted to see if we could put down hardwood. How do we get the moisture in the slab fixed. The tile contractor says that if we put down a barrer that he is afraid the moisture will go up the walls and creature a mold problem. We are going to put the tile down, but have to fix this problem first. The contractor must fix it. I am just trying to see what can be done. After a meeting this morning, I feel the contractor does not know what to do. Our general Contractor is no longer in bussiness. The registra of contractors says the tile contractor must make it right. I am just looking for answers. No other house in this community seems to have this problem. My dream house seems to be evaporating. Any help will be appreciated.
  38. Tile Installation Flood Damage - I own a condo in florida that sustained a roof collapse and flood. At one point there were 6 inches of standing water on my porcelain tile. The standing water was not drained for 4 hours. I also have cork underlayment. Since the flood was the responsibility of the condo association(roof rain drain pipe broke), the assoc. is trying to argue that the tile floor will be fine. I am concerned that the cork and concrete floor below have absorbed water and will eventually cause tenting of the tiles.....over time. I need an expert to simply write a letter of professional opinion explaining why the tile floor will need to be taken up and replaced. Is this something you do and if so, what is the fee.
  39. Limestone Cracking - i laid 250m2 of turkish limestone into a new development 6 months ago the property is still empty but the stone is starting to break up inline with the grain and it looks like the resin is coming to the surface can you help?
  40. Loss-of-Bond/Tenting - I have a customer who recently had a water loss / Broken pipe. Water traveled throughout the home and in less than five days the ceramic floor tile began to tent. The insurance carrier / adjuster want to say that this floor was improperly installed, although this floor is approx 14 years old and never had an incident until now. Is there any documentation to prove that excessive water can cause tile tenting or even hollowness after hot water submerges the floor tile surface.
  41. Bond Failure - a local contractor installed on the floor of my residence in San Diego a porcelain large size tile manufactured in Spain. He used a custom Building thinset mortar premium for Marble and Stone, from Home depot The whole job needs to be reinstalled as there was no adhesion between the tile and the thinset. The base floor is wood and has been reinforced prior to installation. The wood floor has been recover by hardibacker boards. What kind of thinset would you recommend for Porcelain Tile. (non porous)
  42. Expansions Joints - Which factor would have the greatest influence, lack of an expansion joint (longest run is 38') or lack of moisture proof membrane beween the plywood and the tile? The house is 9 yrs old - why no problems until now - initiated use of a humidifier in the basement last summer or the cold snaps in Jan & Feb (55F to -7)?
  43. Cracks in Travertine - We have several tiles with hairline to larger cracks. The larger cracks appear to be structural, "heaving cement underneath" and will likely be replaced. However, we have many with hairline cracks. Are hairline cracks normal to travetine? The cracked tiles are not near a water source, so no water damage.
  44. Slate debonding on Patio - I had 18inch slate tiles installed over a concrete patio that was approximately six weeks old. The contractor is noticing that many of the tile thinset is not adhering to the crack isolation membrane that was applied. The thinset is adhering to the back of the tiles, just not the membrane. Do you know of any situations or occurrences where this happened. Are rapid or fast cure thinset more probable from not adhering to the membrane. I do not know the brand of membrane but I do know that it was blue and that they used a roller to paint it on and then it dried to almost a spongy/fabric material. I apologize about so much detail but I am very confused and troubled why this is happening.
  45. Tile Debonding from Slab - Could you please steer me in the right direction to find literature on why large portions of ceramic tile separate from a slab on grade dispite proper installation?
  46. Grout Cracking Problem - We had new tile floor installed over wood sub floor.The problem is the tile grout keeps cracking.the floor is apprx.600 sq.ft.I think the floor was properly prepared befors installing tile and would like a second opinion.
  47. Mildew on Shower Floor Grout Surface - The grout on my shower floor has developed mildew and it keeps returning within a week after I clean it. What can I do to keep it away?
  48. Staining Granite - Our kitchen, scullery and laundry room has beech colour granite tops which are fairly light in colour. Sadly it is staining quite badly and the granite supplier said that it's the colour we chose but also we have to be careful with what we put on it. Every single home we go to does not have this problem and they put hot pots & pans direcly on the granite. We received a second opinion and they said that the initial sealing process was not done properly and hence the staining. No matter how many times you treat the granite tops it will stain. Water marks come and go but in a kitchen we use oil and various other ingredients for cooking. The oil marks are staining permanently. I would be very grateful if I could get some advice as we are considering the legal route with the supplier. Sadly there is no body for granite specialists. For approximately US$10,000 worth of granite in a kitchen, should we be experiencing these problems????
  49. Indent Fracture in Stone - I had a travertine tile floor installed in my kitchen in the late summer of 2006. It was hard to see at first, only when the light hit it in a certain way, but there now appears to be a long, serpentine, wavy DENT crossing right through the tiles and going down the whole length of the floor! Some of it is actually cracking in the dent in places. I am horrified. What has happened? And will this get worse?
  50. Stains in Glazed Tile - I have these "ghostly" white blotches on ceramic tile in my kitchen. It almost looks like someone spilled a cleaner in many areas. The rest of the tile is shiny, and when you wet these "ghostly" areas, they disappear until the water dries up. We can't afford to replace the entire kitchen at this time. Is there anything we can do to make things look better?
  51. Kitchen Countertop Failing - We live in a house that is approximately 20 years old. We have been leasing it for approximately 3 years. Our kitchen has a simple countertop with white ceramic tile laid and joined together with grout. Over the years there have been cracks and staining in the grout (long before we arrived). And over the past few months there is seepage of water from the cracked grout circling the kitchen sink and now underneath the tiles immediately adjacent to the kitchen sink where I only occasionally leave freshly washed dishes. So much so that the wood underneath is soaked and smells mildewed. Is this more likely grout failure from poor grout composite, lack of using sealant in the grout, repetitive damage in the last three years, or regular wear and tear for a 20 some year house?
  52. Ring Spots in Stone - I am from auckland new zealand. I own tiling contracting company. recentley had a job to install basalt 600x400x10 onto compressed sheat (cement board)to walls in main lobby. supplyer of tile adhesive Mapei New Zealand had specified Kerabond + Isolastic (cement based adhesive). after an water washing the stone showed ring shaped spots of moisture ( three month later it's still there. i've reversed process by making one sample tile spot fixed,after few day of cure i've wet it - showed same affect,left it in the open air area and it dissappered. Lobby area is quite enclosed, which i think slowimg drying process.can you please give me some idea how to treat it. Basalt is vulcanic stone. many thanks
  53. Hollow Tiles over Composite Board - Am having problems with an installer. Have porcelain tile in bathroom with no backer-board and on composite board. Other rooms have "hollow" sounds coming from the tile as if there is no adhesive underneath. NEED HELP and ADVICE!!
  54. Repair Granite Seam - I have had Juparana Columbo for about 6 years. I have one seam that was sealed with an epoxy and ok--I recently had my floors tiled - and the installers had to pull out the stove, remove kickboards. Afterwards I noticed that the the two sides of the seam are no longer even one slightly higher, and the cleft between more obvious. How can this be repaired? I'm really upset, the cabinet underneath doesn't appear collapsed. Thank you.
  55. Crack in Tile over Radiant Heating - HELP! Can you tell me what kind of solutions are to be had for repairing cracks of tiling when there is in-floor-heat underneath? Can it be repaired...or is the best solution just to tear all of it out?
  56. Flooded Tile floor over wood - I live in Metairie, LA and experienced flooding in my raised house (4 feet outside, 1 foot inside for 2 weeks). A contractor says that I must remove my ceramic tile from the floor (over plywood). Is this common practice?

Why are my ceramic tiles Tenting and Debonding? - I have a two story house with for rooms and my ceramic tile floor has tiles that are tenting up and debonding, but there are no cracks in the concrete.

ANSWER - I understand that you have ceramic tile installed onto a concrete floor, and some of the tiles have tented up and debonded.

There are likely compounding deficiencies in how the ceramic tile was installed that has led to your problem.  The concrete substrate may not have been properly prepared that has not allowed the tile to bond to the concrete surface.  The installer may not have installed the tiles correctly in how the adhesive was used and he may not have installed expansion joints into the tile work.

If all the tiles are coming loose then they all have to be replaced, but to avoid the same problem a second time then you have to make sure the substrate is properly prepared and the tile is properly installed. Good luck.

 


Updated: July 8th 2010


Why is my Ceramic Tile Chipping? - We have installed a new ceramic tile in auto showroom and it is chipping. Is there a standard with a test for termining if the ceramic tile is chip resistant?

ANSWER - Chipping of ceramic tile can be caused by various conditions and for compounding reasons.  Maybe the ceramic tile isn't very chip resistant. 

Although there is not a specific standard test for chip resistance of ceramic tile, there are tests that can be performed that would suggest whether the ceramic tile is chip resistance or not based on certain physical properties of the ceramic tile.

Chipping can also be the result of the tile having excessive lippage in how the ceramic tile was installed and due to what it might be subjected to during its use such as certain types of chairs, carts and equipment.


Updated: July 8th 2010


How do you waterproof a tile floor that is already installed? - trying to waterproof 18 x18 inch ceramic tiles on bathroom floors. spills are passing through to the floor below.

ANSWER - If the ceramic tile is already installed there is no way to fully waterproof the floor after the fact, unless you replace the tile and install a legitimate waterproof membrane during the replacement process.

Some people will try to put a sealer on the grout joints, but that doesn't waterproof it. It doesn't work. It only makes it more water resistant.

The only thing you could try on, on an experimental basis and if you deem it practical, is to remove the grout joints by cutting them out with a dustless diamond cutting wheel on a grinder.  Clean the joints out thoroughly and fill them with an ASTM C920 sealant (caulking).  This type of caulking is either a full strength silicone or a urethane sealant.  Be sure to also caulk the perimeter of the tile where it runs into walls and tubs with this same sealant.  If the tile is impervious and all the joints are filled with this type of sealant, you might end up with it being waterproof, depending on how good of a job you do.  Good luck.
 


Updated: June 27th 2010


Marble Wall Buckling/Debonding Failure - wondering if you had any insight as to why marble walls would buckle and bulge out after just a few years. The floor to ceiling marble tile is in a room containing a indoor pool/ritual bath. there is alot of humidity in the room and the pool itself is constantly being cleaned with strong chemicals. we've heard reasons such as oxidation of thinset, not large enough grout lines etc. we've had contractors look at the job who have said the original installation was good.the walls are cement block behind the tiles.thanks

ANSWER - If the marble tiles were installed correctly they should not be buckling/bulging from the walls even if it is installed in an interior pool and bath application.

The humidity and moisture is likely contributing to the problem, but it is likely not the primary problem.  It is not likely that the chemicals are contributing to the problem, but it depends on what materials were used in the installation of the marble.  Oxidation of a cementitious thin-set mortar doesn't make sense.  Oxidation is the transfer of electrons from one atom or molecule to the other.  If there was metal or pyrite within the mortar the term might apply.  Size of grout lines should not matter unless the tiles are butted up to each other, but that would only be a contributing factor and not the problem.

If the marble tiles were bonded properly to the concrete block substrate then they should have resisted any movement and at most only cracked.  The fact that they are bulging suggests they have a weak bond attachment and that is more likely the primary problem. There are a variety of reasons of why the marble tiles are not bonded properly.  That type of application should have had a waterproof membrane and should have had expansion joints.  We would have to perform an intrusive inspection to determine how the walls were constructed and determine the causes of the failure. 

When there is a failure it generally is not due to one deficiency, but rather is due to many deficiencies compounding the situation and leading to the failure.

To determine the cause of the failure and to determine how to properly remediate the problem would require an intrusive forensic inspection.  We do have an inspector in the NY area and can perform that inspection for you if it is practical for your to investigate your problem.

As expert witnesses and forensic investigators we do charge for our time during the whole process. Depending on the extent of your problem, it may or may not be practical for you to employ our full forensic and quality control services.  For more information on our services got to our website at www.CTaSC.com.  Good luck.
 


Updated: May 27th 2010


Marble Tile Failure - Why is my Marble Tile Tenting (lifting Up - debonding) - I WOULD LIKE SOME INFORMATION ON A PROBLEM I HAVE WITH MY MARBLE FLOOR IN MY APARTMENT. AS YOU KNOW THIS WINTER IN MIAMI WAS THE COLDEST IN 20 YEARS. WE HAD NIGHTS OF 29 TO 39 DEGREES. ON THE COLDEST NIGHT OF JANUARY MY FLOOR AT ABOUT 2 AM POPPED LIKE A FIRE CRAKER AN KEPT ON POOPING DURING THE NIGHT. MY TILES WERE UPLIFTED IN SEVERAL AREAS OF THE APARTMENT. I LIVE IN THE 14TH FLOOR THE BLDG IT HAS POST TENSION WIRES. COULD THIS HAD BEEN CAUSED BY THE FLOOR CONTRACTING BY THE COLD TEMPERATURES.

ANSWER - First of all, if your marble tile floor was installed correctly then it should not have tented up (lifted up) or debonded.

When there is a failure it generally is not due to one deficiency, but rather is due to many deficiencies compounding the situation and leading to the failure.

The cold weather certainly could have contributed to the problem, but is not likely the primary factor to your marble failure.  Certainly the fact that your marble tiles were installed over a suspended concrete slab on the 14th floor and the concrete floor has post-tensioned cables within it are likely contributing to the failure.  There are special installation methods recommended over post-tensioned slabs.

The likely primary deficiency is that the marble tiles were not bonded well enough to the floor substrate for any number of reasons.  If the tiles were bonded well then their adhesive would have restrained the tiles from moving when subjected to the apparent stress and the marbles would have cracked rather than debonded.  Further likely compounding and contributing to the problem is you probably don't have adequate expansion joints (movement joints) within the tile installation and at its perimeters.

To determine the cause of the failure and to determine how to properly remediate the problem would require an intrusive forensic inspection.  We do have an inspectors throughout North America and can perform an inspection for you if it is practical.  For more information on our inspection services visit www.CTaSC.com and go to the Failure Inspections page for details.  Good Luck.
 


Updated: May 8th 2010


Stone that was Installed doesn't match the Samples - My spouse and I had Crema Marfil marble tiles installed in our ensuite bathroom (residential home). The tiles (over 50%) have black spots or patches (see photos attached). In selecting the Crema Marfil marble tiles, none of the display boards or samples provided to us contained any of the black patches. Thus, we fully expected that the Crema Marfil marble installed would have no black patches. We are of the opinion the tiles should not contain these black spots and the tiles are either defective or sub-standard quality and are not suitable for use in a residential application. We would appreciate your comments on the tiles (& black spots/patches) We believe the defect which is evident is known as "colour patches".

ANSWER - If the black spots on the creama marfil tiles were installed in that condition and appear to be a mineral component of that stone then it would be assumed that is characteristic of that source of stone.  It doesn't mean it is defective, but it certainly may be considered undesirable and substandard in appearance.  It is possible for stone that has been subjected to excessive moisture to develop microbial spots, so I am assuming that is not the case in this situation.

Stone being a nature made product can come in all sorts of conditions that may or may not be desirable.  Even though the geological classification of two different stone sources are the same, they can be significantly different in appearance and in their physical properties.  

Generally speaking creama marfil, which is actually a limestone, does not have dark spots. 

Because natural stone is expected to vary in color and other visual characteristics the industry standard of care is that samples should be shown to the buyer that represents the range of that particular supply of stone they are purchasing.  If the samples shown on display or that were approved prior to installation did not have the dark spots, then supplying the stone with dark spots would not be reasonable.   Good luck.
 


Updated: April 15th 2010


Ceramic Tile hollow, loose and grout cracking: we're having problems on a newly layed ceramic tile floor (kitchen) developing grout line cracks and upon investigating, are finding that the thinset w/latex is mostly bonded to the tile but not always to the plywood beneath. All of the materials used and the structural components are acceptible (2x10 fir joists on 16" centers with additional bracing set on a new block foundation with a total of 1 1/4" of exterior grade plywood flooring screwed on 6" centers throughout) and the cracks have all developed in the areas we walk or stand the most (in front of stove etc). We've taken a rubber mallet all over the floor and can hear a hollow sound beneath the tiles adjacent to the cracks, but also under 2 other tiles where we've never put weight on. The other fact is that the mudroom was also done at the same time with the same materials, but it seems fine. the tile was layed on one day (ending about 3pm)and our installer said it would be fine to walk on the following morning (7ish). We followed his instructions, but had no reason to go in the mudroom for many more hours. The temp. in our house is between 60 and 65 at night - is it reasonable to think the thinset was bonded by the morning or might we have dislodged it at 16 hrs.. or is it a bad batch of thin set...or should we be looking else wear. thank you for your expertise!

When there is ceramic tile or stone failures it is normally due to compounding issues.

There could be excessive movement beyond the industry limit of L/360 deflection, but your subfloor description sounds substantial.

There are supposed to be properly designed and installed movement joints/expansion joints at the perimeters, all transitions, and within every 20' to 25' in the field for interior applications.  The lack of movement joints could be a contributing factor.

Sounds like you bonded the tile direct to a wood substrate.  This isn't the best method of installation, but if none correctly will meet industry standards.  There should be gaps between the sheets of plywood and they should be placed off-set from each other and the underlying subfloor.  A special EGP modified thin-set meeting ANSI A118.11 should have been used to bond to the wood.  There can be no contaminates on the wood surface. If the tile was a porcelain or very dense tile then it would take longer to cure particular at the lower temperatures you mentioned.

If thin-set bonds well to one material and not the other then it would not suggest the thin-set is faulty.  There are many reasons why the thin-set did not bond or stay bonded to the wood surface.  To fully understand your situation would require a forensic investigation.  Of course there is a cost to that depending on how far you want to take, but an investigation with a formal written report normally runs $2,000 plus or minus.  CTaSC does provide forensic services nationwide with local inspectors.  For more information go to the Forensic Investigation Services by clicking here.

Good Luck!
 


Updated: March 29th 2010


Ceramic Tile Hollow and Grout Cracking - Could you respond to the following case scenerio? PROBLEM: We installed two ceramic tile floors. They have both developed the following problems: 1. THE GROUT IS CRACKING 2. THE TILES ARE NOT ADHERING TO THE MORTAR BED (POOR OR NO ADHERENCE TO MORTAR) EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE INSTALLATION : 1.WE HAVE LIMITED CERAMIC TILE INSTALLATION EXPERIENCE. (WE’RE NOT PROFESSIONALS) 2.WE DROPPED THE TILES INTO A BED OF MORTAR ON CONCRETE BACKBOARD. 3.WE LATER READ ON THE BAG THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO PUT A SKIM COAT OF MORTAR ON THE BACK OF THE TILES BEFORE DROPPING THEM IN THE BED OF MORTAR. . (WE DIDN’T DO THIS) 4.THE INSTALLATION TOOK PLACE DURING A VERY COLD STRETCH OF WEATHER. THE MORTAR AND GROUT WERE MIXED IN A 15-20 DEGREE GARAGE. WOULD IT MATTER IF THEY WERE IN THAT COLD BEFORE OR AFTER MIXING? 5.THE TILES THEMSELVES WERE STORED IN THE SAME 15-20 DEGREE GARAGE. THEY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ROOM TEMPERATURE WHEN INSTALLED. 6.THE ROOMS WHERE THE INSTALLATIONS TOOK PLACE WERE BOTH INTERIOR ROOMS. Finally, how would we go about repairing the floors? Should we pop up and repair as many as possible or is somehting else required? We're not looking for any short cuts. We want the floors to be the best they can be. CAN YOU HELP?

Regarding your description of your tile problem I will give you some input. We do inspections around the country, so we can be hired to investigate your problem (click here for forensic failure investigations).

1. Cracking grout is an indication of excessive movement.

2. If the tiles were not well attached to the substrate then that is the likely cause.

3. You said that the tiles did not adhere to the mortar bed, which I assume was a cementitious backer board unit (CBU) per your description. So I then assume that the thin-set mortar adhesive did adhere to the back of the tile.

4. If the thin-set came up clean from the CBU that is an indication that there was a contaminate bond-breaker present. That could be dust, a sealer, or anything that would interfere with the bonding.

5. If the CBU was over a wood sub-floor and it had excessive deflection more than L/360 that could also contribute to the cracking grout. If the thin-set was poorly attached then the deflection might have caused the thin-set to lose bond.

6. Yes, you should skim coat or key in the thin-set into the substrate and the back of the tile to ensure a good bond.

8. The cold weather could retard the curing of the thin-set that then if it was walked on too soon it could cause loss of bond. The temperatures are below what the manufacturers of the installation products recommend, so there could be a problem with the thin-set not being mixed properly.

7. The only way to determine the problem, and there are likely compounding problems, would require doing an intrusive investigation. It normally costs anywhere from $1,500 to $2,500 or more depending on how many issues and how much time it takes.

8.  Unless we know the true cause of the problem we can't prescribe a remedy.  Grout joints should not crack and tiles should be well attached, so at least those need replacing, but depending on the actual problem, the tiles you don't replace may eventually have the same problem.


Updated: March 29th 2010


Tile lost bond - I have ceramic tile that was installed over 12 yrs ago.It was installed over concrete in a home that is 25-30 yrs old.The areas had carpet installed originly.Some areas of tile have broken bond (with the thinset still bonded to the tile).This has happened over the last few years, with the most recent this past week.There doesn't appear to be anything on the surface of the concrete. (I have tested it for absorbtion).It absorbs moisture.I would appreciate any comments on this problem.

Normally when tile looses bond it is because of compounding issues.  I would check to see if they left some carpet mastic or a residue of it that may be acting as a bond breaker.  I would check what degree of moisture content the substrate has in it and if moisture is causing the mastic residue to deteriorate.  I would see if they have adequate movement joints in the floor and that there isn't too much deflection.  There are various variables and indicators that can be only detected by performing a thorough inspection with laboratory testing to substantiate the conjecture.  It may not be worth the money to figure it out.  A basic investigation with a professional report normally costs at least $1,200 depending on location and the degree of the inspection and testing (click here for inspection services).  Hope that helps!


Updated: March 29th 2010


Cracks in Tile - Our home was completed in March 2005. We paid thousands extra to have a ceramic tile floor installed downstairs (appx 800 sq feet). Fifteen tiles have cracked at different times in 5 different areas. Cracks have appeared over night, including a crack over 40 inches long. The builder claims that the cracks our because of the house settling and that it is not a standard practice to install membrane on the foundation prior to tile installation. The builder refuses to do any repairs. I believe that the absence of a membrane is causing the excessive cracking. Is installation of a membrane over the foundation an industry standard? Could this amount of cracking indicate improper installation? Do you have a local inspector who I could work with?

Answer:  The ceramic floor tile should not crack for any reason.  If there are existing shrinkage cracks in the concrete slab, before the tile is installed, it should be treated with a crack isolation membrane. 

If the crack is a structural crack then the membrane will not work.  The structural crack would suggest the concrete slab is faulty and needs repaired. 

There is no standard for ceramic tile that says you have to have a crack isolation membrane on all floors.  If the builder knew the concrete slab was likely to have shrinkage cracks then they should have offered you a crack isolation membrane for protection.  The cracking could be caused by other problems in the tile installation.  Either way it suggests the tile was not installed correctly.
 
We do have a CTaSC Inspectors located locally in most markets in the USA.  For inspection services go to our Forensic Services section. (
click here).


Updated: March 29th 2010


Tile Tenting and Hollow Sounding Tile - I had a house built in Florida and closed in December of 2005. I have 16" tile throughout the house which is tenting in two places and sounds hollow in almost every area. I've contacted my builder and started a claim under Florida's law covering latent construction defects. Right now I'm trying to line up a potential consultant to inspect this problem because I don't know what solution, if any, my builder and tile vendor might offer. So first of all, do you offer service in Florida? Do you review offers to repair this if my builder proposes such a plan?

ANSWER - We do have inspectors in Florida.  We can perform an inspection and investigation to determine what caused the failure, to determine if the installation and tile meets industry standards and the standard of care for the industry, and we can provide recommendations on how to remediate the problems.

When tile is installed correctly it will not tent and should not sound hollow. Generally speaking when there is a failure it is not due to a single deficiency, but rather due to compounding deficiencies.  Generally speaking when a tile sounds hollow in some areas and not other areas it is an indication it has lost bond to its substrate.  When a tile tents (lifts up off floor in certain areas) it is an indication the tile was not properly bonded to its substrate for various potential reasons, which is the primarly problem. There may be a bond breaker contaminate on the substrate or on the back of the tile.  There could be a problem with the adhesive in that it was allowed to skin over and lose its ability to bond adequately.   Not having adequate movement joints (expansion joints) installed in the floor could be a contributing factor causing the failure.  There are probably other compounding factors contributing to the failure.  It is important to find out what is wrong before you repair or reinstall the tile to avoid another failure. 
 


Updated: March 25th 2010


Hydrostatic Pressure causing tile to Debond? - you mention hydrostatic pressure can make tile tent--how do you resolve that problem?

ANSWER - In theory hydrostatic pressure can cause a tile to debond if the hydrostatic pressure is greater than the tensile strength of the adhesive bonding the tile to the substrate.  If a tile is poorly bonded it takes less force to cause it to debond or tent.  So the question is whether the tile is poorly bonded or is the hydrostatic pressure that great?

Often people misunderstand the definition of or the condition of hydrostatic pressure and wrongly associate it to a moisture problem.  Hydrostatic pressure in effect is where the water table is higher than the point where the water is being forced up from.  Sometimes this could be a significant pressure and sometimes not.

The answer to the question of how to remediate a hydrostatic problem is it depends on what the condition is and what is the source of the hydrostatic condition.

Using vapor retarders under slabs and constructing French perimeter drains to control the flow of the water can work in some cases, but it depends on what are the conditions. 
 


Updated: February 24th 2010


Granite Counter Top has Cracked - Hi there. We recently had a granite counter installed and it is broken on the side of the island from top to bottom and it is quite noticeable. The company who installed it is saying that we are responsible for any damage since we picked out the slab but we never saw the actual slab we purchased as the manufacturer just showed us a sample and the company also did not call us when the slab arrived before he cut it to provide our final approval. Can he do this to us? he never advised us verbally or in writing that we were responsible to check for any defects to the slabs and that it is normal to have visibly broken or cracked granite counters installed. We never saw any defects or broken pieces in the sample slab we chose and were completely unhappy when we saw the end work and with the isntallation as he also ruined our brend new cupboard underneath the counter which he is denying.We are going to take him to small claims court and would like to ask your opinion on what you think went wrong.The company is now insisting that cracks are normal in granite but this counter is actually broken and he never advised us to expect this.He didn't even given us an invoice explaining these conditions and that we were responsible. Please advise and thank you.

ANSWER - Granite counter tops, or any other type of stone counter top, are not suppose to break/crack before or after it is installed, as long as the counter top has not been abused such as standing or jumping on it.

It is not the homeowner's responsibility to know whether a stone is suitable for an application.  The supplier or fabricator of the stone is suppose to be the expert and  know whether a stone is suitable for the application.  If the stone gets damaged or breaks for any reason during the fabrication or installation it is not the home owners responsibility, but rather the fabricator's responsibility and risk, and they then need to replace the slab at their expense.

It is common for the home owner to approve the slab of stone for color and other visual characteristics before it is fabricated, but it is the responsibility of the fabricator to make sure the slab will withstand the fabrication process and the installation process and that it is installed in a manner where with normal use it will perform as intended. 

It is not reasonable to expect a home owner to know what the physical properties of the stone are or to be able to recognize any signs of defects within the stone. It is assumed that the seller of the granite is providing you with a standard grade granite that will meet the respective minimums and maximum physical properties per ASTM C615.    Good luck with resolving your situation.
 


Updated: February 7th 2010


Brick Floor Grout Cracking and Varies in width Excessively - I had a brick paver floor installed in my kitchen in July 2009. The subfloor is plywood, topped with cement board. The installer did not clean the grout off the surface of the bricks well, and there are grout lines which range from 1/2 inch to 1 and 1/2 inches in size. He also installed and left there a brick that is broken through and through. The entire floor is very unsightly, but the owner of the company that installed it will not do anything about it, so I am going to have to pursue legal action. In the meantime, the grout has begun to crack. What would be the likely cause of the cracking?

ANSWER - If the brick is consistent in sizing the grout joints should be very consistent too in width.  Even if the brick wasn't very consistent in sizing, going from 1/2" to 1-1/2" wide grout joints is excessive variation and considered poor workmanship.

If the grout is cracking it is likely due to the brick or floor moving excessively.  Either the brick is loose and when walked upon causes movement and the grout to crack, or the subfloor was not properly prepared and there is too much deflection within the floor causing the grout to crack.

We perform forensic investigations nationwide and have inspectors in most major markets, but if the area is just the size of a kitchen it may not be practical for you to retain our services to investigate the situation to determine what went wrong and how to remediate it.  Good Luck!
 


Updated: January 22nd 2010


Glass Tile Water fountain leaking - I have a waterfountain with glass tile installed over it that is leaking and some tiles have come loose. What would cause it to leak and the tiles to come loose? How can we fix it?

ANSWER - Tiles whether ceramic tiles or glass tiles installed in a water fountain should not leak.  Tile when installed correctly is a great material for fountainsand not only looks great and prestigious, but should last the life of the fountain. 

Chances are when the tile was installed it was not installed per industry standards and it has several compounding defects.  Generally speaking when there is a problem it is not due to one single factor, but due to compounding defects.  Keep in mind that most installers do not learn their trade from a college or trade school, but rather learn on the job, so quite often they are not familiar with industry standards or the complexity of high risk applications such as a water fountain that needs to be properly waterproofed.  When there are failures we commonly find the installers do not properly prepare their substrates.  The fountain has to be treated like a shower pan for waterproofing.  We generally find the membrane isn't properly installed.  We find that the installers don't back butter their tiles with the thin-set to ensure they get 95% to 100% attachment or/and that they don't properly key the thin-set into the back of the tile to ensure an adequate attachment.  Often there are not adequate expansion joints (movement joints) installed in the building and they may not be properly designed or installed correctly.  There are other factors too.  

The only way to determine the extent of the problem and how to remediate it is to perform an intrusive inspection (destructive).  It is important to determine if the problem is an anomally or is it wide spread.

To avoid these problems a specific and detailed installation specification should be prepared that should include a quality control plan that should be in place to make sure the water fountain is properly constructed.   Glass tile is very impervious and much harder to bond, so the proper adhesives and installation methods have to be specified and followed.  All high risk applications such as water fountains, exterior decks, exterior veneers, showers, swimming pools, spas, and other exterior or wet applications should have a much higher standard-of-care for the installation and for quality control to ensure there isn't a failure that could result in thousands of dollars of damages.  Ceramic Tile and Stone installations are ideal for exterior and wet applications, but they need to be installed correctly.  For more details on CTaSC forensic investigations and quality control services visit our website at www.CTaSC.com.


Updated: January 16th 2010


Swimming Pool and Spa has tile falling off - I have a swimming pool and spa that has tile on its surface. It was only installed a year ago and we have tiles falling off. What could be causing this and what can we do to repair it?

ANSWER - Tiles whether ceramic tiles or natural stone or glass tiles they should not fall off.  There are all-tiled pools that go back over 100 years and they are still performing well today.  Tile when installed correctly is a great pool or spa tile that not only looks great and prestigious, but should last the life of the pool. 

Chances are when the tile was installed it was not installed per industry standards and it has several compounding defects.  Generally speaking when there is a problem it is not due to one single factor, but due to compounding defects.  Keep in mind that most installers do not learn their trade from a college or trade school, but rather learn on the job, so quite often they are not familiar with industry standards or the complexity of high risk applications such as swimming pools and spas that needs to be properly waterproofed.  When there are failures we commonly find the installers do not properly prepare their substrates.  The pool has to be treated like a shower pan for waterproofing.  We generally find the membrane isn't properly installed.  We find that the installers don't back butter their tiles with the thin-set to ensure they get 95% to 100% attachment or/and that they don't properly key the thin-set into the back of the tile to ensure an adequate attachment.  Often there are not adequate expansion joints (movement joints) installed in the building and they may not be properly designed or installed correctly.  There are other factors too.  

The only way to determine the extent of the problem and how to remediate it is to perform an intrusive inspection (destructive).  It is important to determine if the problem is an anomally or is it wide spread.

To avoid these problems a specific and detailed installation specification should be prepared that should include a quality control plan that should be in place to make sure the swimming pool and spa are properly installed.   All high risk applications such as exterior decks, exterior veneers, showers, swimming pools, fountains, spas, and other exterior or wet applications should have a much higher standard-of-care for the installation and for quality control to ensure there isn't a failure that could result in thousands of dollars of damages.  Ceramic Tile and Stone installations are ideal for exterior and wet applications, but they need to be installed correctly.  For more details on CTaSC forensic investigations and quality control services visit our website at www.CTaSC.com.


Updated: January 16th 2010


Tile falling off of Building Exterior Veneer (facade) - We have a 3-story office building where several tiles have fallen off over the last year. What could be causing this and what can we do to prevent more from falling off?

ANSWER - Tiles whether ceramic tiles or natural stone or cement tiles should not fall off of the building.  There are tile exterior facades (veneers) that go back 1000 of years and are still performing well today.  Tile when installed correctly is a great exterior veneer that not only looks great and prestigious, but should last the life of the building.  Having tiles fall off are obviously a great life-threatening safety issue, and it can compromise the performance of the building if it leads to leaks.

Chances are when the exterior veneer was installed it was not installed per industry standards and it has several compounding defects.  Generally speaking when there is a problem it is not due to one single factor, but due to compounding defects.  Keep in mind that most installers do not learn their trade from a college or trade school, but rather learn on the job, so quite often they are not familiar with industry standards or the complexity of high risk applications such as an exterior veneer.  When there are failures we commonly find the installers do not properly prepare their substrates to make sure they get an adequate attachment to it.  We find that the installers don't back butter their tiles with the thin-set to ensure they get 95% to 100% attachment or/and that they don't properly key the thin-set into the back of the tile to ensure an adequate attachment.  Often there are not adequate expansion joints (movement joints) installed in the building and they may not be properly designed or installed correctly.  There are other factors too.  

The only way to determine the extent of the problem and how to remediate it is to perform an intrusive inspection (destructive).  It is important to determine if the problem is an anomaly or is it wide spread where more tiles are likely to fall and create a major safety hazard.

To avoid these problems a specific and detailed installation specification should be prepared that should include a quality control plan that should be in place to make sure the exterior veneers are properly installed.   All high risk applications such as exterior veneers (facades), exterior decks, showers, swimming pools and other exterior or wet applications should have a much higher standard-of-care for the installation and for quality control to ensure there isn't a failure that could result in thousands of dollars of damages.  Ceramic Tile and Stone installations are ideal for exterior and wet applications, but they need to be installed correctly.  For more details on CTaSC forensic investigations and quality control services visit our website at www.CTaSC.com.


Updated: January 16th 2010


Exterior Deck (balcony) is leaking - I have an exterior deck (balcony) that is leaking, it has white stains along the font face of it, and tiles seem to be loose. What could be causing this and what can we do to fix it?

ANSWER - Tiles whether ceramic tiles or natural stone or cement tiles should perform well on an exterior deck if installed correctly.  There tends to be a lot of failures with exterior decks because they are not designed or installed correctly.  Tile when installed correctly is a great surface and assembly for balconies. 

Chances are when the tile was installed it was not installed per industry standards and it has several compounding defects.  Generally speaking when there is a problem it is not due to one single factor, but due to compounding defects.  Keep in mind that most installers do not learn their trade from a college or trade school, but rather learn on the job, so quite often they are not familiar with industry standards or the complexity of high risk applications such as an exterior deck that needs to be properly waterproofed.  When there are failures we commonly find the installers do not properly prepare their substrates.  The deck has to be treated like a shower pan for waterproofing.  We generally find they don't install a preslope over the waterproof membrane, or they don't have drains, or the membrane isn't properly installed, and the finish tile surface isn't sloped correctly.  We find that the installers don't back butter their tiles with the thin-set to ensure they get 95% to 100% attachment or/and that they don't properly key the thin-set into the back of the tile to ensure an adequate attachment.  Often there are not adequate expansion joints (movement joints) installed in the building and they may not be properly designed or installed correctly.  There are other factors too.  

The only way to determine the extent of the problem and how to remediate it is to perform an intrusive inspection (destructive).  It is important to determine if the problem is an anomally or is it wide spread.

To avoid these problems a specific and detailed installation specification should be prepared that should include a quality control plan that should be in place to make sure the exterior decks are properly installed.   All high risk applications such as exterior decks, exterior veneers, showers, swimming pools and other exterior or wet applications should have a much higher standard-of-care for the installation and for quality control to ensure there isn't a failure that could result in thousands of dollars of damages.  Ceramic Tile and Stone installations are ideal for exterior and wet applications, but they need to be installed correctly.  For more details on CTaSC forensic investigations and quality control services visit our website at www.CTaSC.com.


Updated: January 16th 2010


Tile Shower is Leaking - Outside of our shower the floor stays damp and it smells very musky. What can we do to fix these problems?

ANSWER - It appears that your shower must have a leak that has allowed the water to leak outside of the shower.  The musky odor is likely due to microbial growth (mold) that has developed.  Ceramic tile and natural stone are very resistant to mold, but if the tile's underlayment materials are organic food for mold and it gets wet and stays wet an excessive amount of time, then it will develop mold.

Chances are when the shower was installed it was constructed incorrectly.  Generally speaking when there is a problem it is not due to one single factor, but due to compounding defects.  Keep in mind that most installers do not learn their trade from a college or trade school, but rather learn on the job, so quite often they are not familiar with industry standards or the complexity of waterproofing a shower.  We commonly find the installers do not provide a presloped surface under the waterproof membrane which will cause the water to not flow to the drain and sometimes it is negatively sloped away from the drain.  We find the installers don't always properly weld the shower pan waterproof membrane seams or they penetrate the membrane with nails and screws.  We often find the installer doesn't put a weep hole protector around the drain that results in the weep holes being plugged.  This then causes water to stay trapped on the shower pan liner and if there is a flaw in the membrane seams the water can leak out of the shower.  There are other factors too.  Often the collateral damages from the water leaking outside of the shower and damaging other materials is much more expensive than the damages to the shower itself.

To repair your leak will require intrusively (destructively) inspecting the shower pan at the critical points to see if the defect can be found and to determine if it can be repaired without removing the whole shower.

To avoid these problems  a quality control plan should be in place to make sure the shower is properly installed.   All high risk applications such as showers, steamrooms and other wet areas should have a much higher standard-of-care for the installation and for quality control to ensure there isn't a failure that could result in thousands of dollars of damages.  Ceramic Tile and Stone installations are ideal for wet areas to prevent leaks and mold, but they need to be installed correctly.  For more details on CTaSC forensic investigations and quality control services visit our website at www.CTaSC.com.


Updated: January 16th 2010


Unhappy with Granite Installation - I hired local company to reface my kirchen cabinets and install granite in my kitchen, bathrooms, living room. They are one month behind scheduled date for work to be done and whatever they did so far was done very unprofessional. I would like to know how CTaSC can help me to protect my investment and recover my lost?

ANSWER - In terms of the delay in completing the work you will need to determine if there are any penalty clauses in your contract with the granite installer.

As far as the unprofessional work goes you need to verify if it just aesthetics or if it is functionally defective.  Then you need to verify if it meets industry standards and the standard-of-care for professional installers.  If the work is unsatisfactory then you should consider stopping the job, because it is much more expensive to have to replace an installation.  It may be necessary for you to retain an attorney.

We do have inspectors in Florida and we could evaluate your installation to determine if it appears to be within the standards and if there are any problems we can offer recommendations on how to remediate the problems.

As an expert witness and forensic investigator we do charge for our time during the whole process. Depending on the extent of your problem, it may or may not be practical for you to employ our full forensic and quality control services.

The cost for our services will vary more or less depending on how much material we have to review and how long it takes to review it, the inspector’s travel time, travel expenses, how much time is spent on the inspection, how many different issues, areas and locations we have to evaluate and document, how much testing is performed and evaluated, and how much time is spent preparing, researching and writing the report or preparing other correspondence.
 


Updated: January 16th 2010


Tenting Tile (debonding) - I am having a problem with ceramic tile in my kitchen tenting as to where we have already pulled up 55 sq ft.The insuranc ecompany is saying it's because it was laid on a dirty slab. The tile was put down in 1995. The other day we spotted water coming through the grout. Could the dirty slab statement be true or a possible slab leak?

ANSWER - Generally speaking when a tile tents (lifting up) the failure is due to debonding that is caused by compounding reasons.  Part of it could be that there was a contaminate on the substrate to which it was attached. Having excessive moisture in the slab could contribute to a failure, poor workmanship by the installer could contribute to it failing, and not have proper expansion joints could contribute as well.

Having water coming up through the grout is not normal and could suggest there is hydrostatic pressure from the water contributing to the problem. So moisture could be the primary cause of the problem or a contributing factor.

An intrusive inspection would have to be performed to determine what has caused the failure and how to remediate the problem.  CTaSC performs these types of inspections throughout the country and it does get expensive, so it may or may not be practical for you to have us perform an investigation. Visit our website for more details on our services at www.CTaSC.com.  Good Luck.
 


Updated: January 14th 2010


Tile Edge Flaking - Some of the 12x12 wall ceramic tiles in our shower seem to be flaking on the edges. The floor tiles that get wet do not have this happening. The grout seems to be fine between all the wall tiles. What would cause the edges to do this? Do I need to reseal the tiles? Thank you.

ANSWER - It is odd that you are saying that a ceramic tile edges on your shower wall are flaking.  Normally ceramic tile would not flake. It could chip, but normally you don't see chipping on walls that occurred after it was installed.  It might actually be a natural stone rather than a ceramic tile.  Some types of natural stones can spall (flaking/deteriorates) when subjected to excessive moisture.

If it is ceramic tile and it has chipped you can't really repair it other than try to temporarily fix it by painting the chips with epoxy paint.

If it is a natural stone then cleaning it and then sealing it might help, but for there to be excessive moisture on the wall to cause it would suggest there may be some bigger problems under the tile that is allowing the moisture to collect there.  Good Luck.
 


Updated: January 14th 2010


Wearing on Ceramic Tile Surface - I have a white marbleized tile (gray and beige tones underneath) throughout my home except for the bedrooms. The kitchen tiles seem to be wearing away. There are gray spots showing especially around the edges, but also in the center of some tiles. I have had the floor professionally cleaned, but the spots are still there. Any suggestions of repair or replacement without having to do the entire house. The house is an "open plan" with a great room.

ANSWER - I am assuming you have a glazed tile floor.  Your description sounds like the glaze is wearing off, which isn't normal.  If it is a good residential glazed floor tile the glaze should never wear off unless it is being abused.  It could be that the wearing is occurring on high points of the tile surface. This could be caused by having chairs with wheels rolling over the floor without have a protective mat down.  I have seen where the older floor vacuums can it the high points of the tile and cause wearing.

If in fact the glaze is wearing then you can get some epoxy paint that matches the color and paint over it.  You can remove those tiles and reinstall some sort of an contrasting accent or decorative tile that will not look out of place.  Good luck.
 


Updated: January 6th 2010


Polishing Marks on Polished Stone - I have a 24 x 24 polished stone tile installed in a residence where they have windows along one side of the house. When you step back and look at the floor at a 30-45 degree angle, you notice ‘hazy stripes’ in the floor. Probably belt marks from manufacturing. I have gone through all the testing materials and don’t really see anything regarding ‘polish’. Any ideas where I might find anything?

ANSWER - If it is polishing wheel marks from fabrication per the Marble Institute of America Dimension Stone Design Manual (MIA) it is unacceptable to have polishing wheel marks or other scratches caused during fabrication on honed or polsihed stone.  It could be a haze from the thin-set adhesive that may not have been properly cleaned off of the tile too.  Good luck.


Updated: December 30th 2009


Grout Failure - We built our home in 2004/05. We have a slab subfloor with porcelain tile over it. Within just a month of closing, we began to notice the grout crumbling and powdering. We of course, complained to the builder; who had the "spots" regrouted several times.We were finally told it was a normal occurance.Over a 4 1/2 year period the problem became worse, especially in the traffic areas. We had pinhole that turned into voids throughout the family/kitchen areas. This summer, we notified the builder of our intent to sue for "Latent Defects". He had his tilepeople regrout the entire kit/family area. Within 40 days of installation of the new grout the problems have begun again and we are seeing it more in other parts of the house. We suspect we may have some issue with the slab (improper curing or a moisture source). What is your opinion about what we should do next? This is a $600K home with close to $30k in tile work.

ANSWER - Cementitious grout when installed correctly should be hard and last the life of the tile installation.  It should not crumble or powder, which is referred to as punky grout.  Generally when grout is soft and weak it is due to adding too much water to the grout when mixing it and/or using too much water during the clean up that results in pulling too much cement out of the grout.  If the tile was installed over a wood subfloor that is prone to excessive movement (deflection) then that could compound the problem and be a factor.

Since your tile installation is over a concrete slab that is generally much more ridged then I would not expect movement to be contributing to the problem.  If you don't have any loose tiles or cracking within your tiles then I would not expect that your slab has any structural problems.  If your slab has excessive moisture vapor passing through you might get some efflorescence (white residue) staining problems, but it wouldn't hurt the cementitious grout and the added moisture could help your grout get harder. You might not have proper installed movement joints at the perimeters of the room and within every 20 to 25 feet throughout the tiled areas, but that might lead to grout cracking, but not making it become soft.  So I would have to guess that they either used a low quality grout with less cement and/or they used too much water in the grout and during the clean up the first time and then again the second time.

The only way to fully understand your situation would be to perform a forensic investigation to evaluate the tile assembly to determine the substrate conditions and how the tile was installed to determine if it was installed per the industry standards.  Your problem may be limited or there may be other problems that have not been noticed.  It may be necessary to evaluate the grout in a testing laboratory to understand its physical properties and what may have led to or contributed to its failure. 

With that said, it may not be practical for you to spend the money to determine what has caused the grout to fail again.  There is always risk when treating the symptom rather than the problem, but if you don't see any other indications of problems then you could re-grout it with the cementitious grout making sure it is done properly the third time, or grout with an epoxy grout that will be more resistant and durable, but is more expensive and problematic during the installation.  For more information on having an investigation performed visit our website at www.CTaSC.com.  Good Luck.
 


Updated: November 29th 2009


Hollow Sounding Tiles - Recently the work of laying floor tiles in my house was completed. But i have found that there are some voids beneath some tiles. There are different types of voids. Some are at the centre of the tile. Again some are at the edge of the tiles. how can these be harmful???

ANSWER - If you tap on a ceramic or stone tile with a hard dense material, like a steel ball, where the tile is not bonded it will sound hollow (lower pitch sound) than areas that sound solid (higher pitch sound).  If the whole tile and all tiles in the installation sound the same then it may not be a problem, but rather the nature of the floor assembly.  It is when the sound is different within one tile or different from other tiles in the floor that it can be an indication the tile is not bonded at the hollow sounding spots.  Those hollow spots are either voids where there is no thin-set support or it is a spot where the thin-set has loss its bond (attachment) to the tile or its substrate.

If the hollow sounding spots are voids then if something heavy and pointed is dropped or rolled on those unsupported spots then they will be susceptible to cracking or crushing. Corners of floor tile are particular susceptible to breaking when not fully supported by the thin-set. The ANSIA A108 industry standards state that floor tile for residential use should have at least 80% thin-set (adhesive) contact, but all of the corners and edges of those tiles have to have 100% thin-set contact (support).  For interior wet areas (showers), exterior applications, and interior commercial applications the thin-set coverage should be 95% with full contact at edges and corners.  Voids in the back of tile will tend to collect moisture that then can lead to other problems such as efflorescence stains or freeze thaw damages.  Good Luck.
 


Updated: October 31st 2009


Holes in Travertine Tiles - We have some new travertine pavers in our lobby which are failing after 3 years. We have divots where these failures have happened. What can we use to repair or fill these with? What is the process?

ANSWER - Most travertine stones have natural voids and it is sold either filled or unfilled.  Sometimes the fill from the factory isn't well done or if the floor is subjected to a lot of wear and tear the fill may become dislodged. I assume that the divots in your travertine floor tile are where they were originally filled with a filler or where natural voids within the travertine were exposed.

You could hire a qualified and experienced stone restoration company and refinish the floor.  They can grind up some of the travertine tile and add it to a resin or cementitious compound to fill the voids during their grinding and refinishing process.

Another approach is to thoroughly clean those divots and fill them with a polymer modified cementitious sanded tile grout that is close to or a complimentary color match to the stone.  The divots have to be deep enough for the grout to lodge itself in as well as bond to the stone.  Some people who buy the travertine unfilled will use the same grout to fill the tile joints to fill all of the voids within the tile surface.  You can use a matching color grout or contrasting depending on the look you want. Good Luck.
 


Updated: October 9th 2009


Travertine Cracks in Shower Floor - Our shower floor is set with Travertine. The house is about 5 years old and now we have noticed, what appears to be, long cracks across the tiles (not in the grout). The cracks are filled with what looks like to be hard water deposits. What could make this happen?

ANSWER - It is difficult to fully understand your situation without investigating it first.  I assume that these cracks are new, and were not there when it was installed.  Some stones do have veining that looks like cracks and is naturally filled with minerals that can give a calcium look.  Travertine normally doesn't have that type of veining.

Some stones can be subjected to shrinkage during its installation causing the stone to compress that result in what we can indent fractures.  You normally can only see them at a certain angle as light shines on them and you can't feel them when you rub your finger over them.  These intent fractures can turn into actual cracks if there is excessive movement in the floor.  If there are cracks in the floor and you have moisture trapped in the shower pan because maybe the weep holes are plugged that would result in high vapor moisture passing through the cracks that could lead to a calcium type of build up in the cracks.

We would need to perform an intrusive inspection to determine what has caused those conditions.   Good Luck.
 


Updated: October 2nd 2009


Staining in Granite Countertop - I need some advice. I recently contracted with a kitchen company to purchase new cabinets and have granite installed in my home. When teh granite was installed I noticed that there was a yellowish trail of discoloration of approx. 1 1/2 feet to 2 feet in length. There is no particular pattern and the discoloration (which looks like spilled coffee) is not shown in any other piece of the installed granite. I contracted with the kitchen company and they sub-contracted with the granite supplier and the fabricator. I am totally not happy with the discoloration and with the kitchen company because they have not been an advocate for me as their customer to provide any solutions to my problems. Also, I feel that the fabricator should have either asked me to choose another piece of slab or cut around the lengthy discoloration rather than installing such a piece of granite. I am seeking some professional advise. Two photos are attached.

ANSWER - I understand your concern about the discoloration in your granite counter top. 

It is not uncommon for natural stone to have veins and areas of different mineral content that causes color differences, which is part of the nature of many stones.

Although, it is within the standard of care for the stone industry that the slab of stone is viewed and approved by the owner before it is fabricated and installed.  That is one of benefits of working with slab stone and fabricators, because you can actually pick out the slab of your choice.

If the sample you viewed for selecting your stone did not show the full range of various characteristics of this stone, then the supplier did not properly represent the material to you.  Good Luck.
 


Updated: October 2nd 2009


Tile Debonding and Cracking After Flood - My home was constructed in 2003 and experienced Hurricane Katrina in 2005. About a foot of saltwater flood my home during Katrina causing, what I thought, only damage to my personal property. In 2007 and recently I began to notice cracked tile, and tile seperation throughout my home. The tile is 12" x 12" porcelain tile over a concrete slab slab. Total square footage is 1800. Do you think the salty water from the flood caused this loss bond and if so how?

ANSWER - Ceramic tile (which includes porcelain tile) if installed correctly should not debond or crack.  Ceramic tile properly installed over a normal concrete slab that is subjected to a salt water flood should not cause the tiles to debond and crack. 

Either the tile was not installed correctly in the first place and the flood caused the tile to expand  causing stress that then contributed to the tile debonding and then perhaps the cracking was caused from walking on loose tiles, or there are other factors that can only be determined by performing a forensic intrusive inspection.  Visit our Forensic Services section of this website for information on having your problem investigated, which may or may not be practical considering the cost for those services.

There could be other factors involved too that may contribute to the tile floor failure when subjected to flooding. Normally when there is a failure it is due to compounding factors.

If it was installed over a water sensitive substrate such as wood or a gypsum underlayment or with a water sensitive adhesive such as mastic the
water could have caused those products to react in a way to cause or contribute to the tile cracking and debonding.  Also if movement joints (expansion joints) were not properly installed it could have contributed to the problem.  Good Luck.


Updated: September 29th 2009


Resin Back Stone Debonding - I have a 18" marble installed over hardibacker, the marble has a mesh that was slurried on back with some kind of epoxy or glue did not get a bond with the marble thinset the distributer said it would be ok to install with latex type marble -granite. There are other floors that meet up and no problems on them. i feel the barrier on back is the problem, can you respond?

ANSWER - The coating on the back of the stone is likely a resin back that is applied to some type of stones that are more fragile.  It may have a fiberglass mesh suspended within the resin or not.  The type of resin used for these stones can vary and some can be bonded with a modified thin-set and some can't.  The resins that contain paraffin have not bonded well in the past.  It isn't possible by looking at the resin back to determine if it is bondable or not, it is necessary to test it.

The industry standards and the normal response from manufacturers of thin-set mortars is that an epoxy thin-set should be used to install resin back stones. 

In some cases, some thin-set manufacturers will test specific resin back stones with their high performance polymer or latex modified thin-sets and if the results are good enough they will recommend the respective thin-set for the particular resin back stone.
 


Updated: August 20th 2009


Epoxy Grout Problem - I am very distraught about a job that was done in our shower stall. The worker convinced me to use epoxy grout on the shower floor, as well as the side walls. He used white grout and did a lousy job. There are grainy spots as well as uneven layers, and pinholes. Not to mention that the white has yellowed! Could I spread regular grout on top of epoxy grout? Or could I paint it with white epoxy sealant?

ANSWER - Sorry to hear about your epoxy grout problem.  It should have been finished by the installer in a manner so it was smooth and would not tend to pick up dirt and would be easier to keep clean.  The epoxy grout should not have yellowed and it should not have pin holes.  In the past white epoxies have tended to yellow, but that should not be the case today and the grout manufacturer's normally warrant against that condition unless the installer did something to cause it.

It is possible to apply more epoxy grout over existing epoxy grout, but it normally requires having at least 1/8 inch depth to work within the grout joint.  There are epoxy grout colorants where you can paint over the existing epoxy, but it is very important to properly clean and smooth the grout joints before applying the grout colorant. Be sure to protect your tile during this process. If you go to Resources and Links on our website and look under cleaners and sealers there is a link to a company named Aqua Mix who sells grout colorants.   Good Luck!
 


Updated: April 23rd 2009


Saltillo Tile Flood Damage - I found your web site while searching on the Internet for tile problems. I am hoping you can give me some advice. Our home was flooded by Hurricane Ike in Sept 08. The saltillo tile in our kitchen had water on it for several days and the tile started popping up. The insurance company said it is not covered for replacement cause flood water does not damage tile! The tile is over 10 years old and we never had a problem with it until our home flooded. Is it true that flood water that gets under your tile or foundation cannot harm the tile? Thank you for any help you could give me.

ANSWER - Ceramic tile is generally fairly resistant to water unless there are some other underlying problems.

Saltillo tiles are very absorbing tiles and some are made better than others in terms of their lasting performance.   The tiles should not debond because they were subjected to water, unless there was a hydrostatic condition.  That means when the water source level is higher than the tile surface and it comes up from under the tile causing a pressure that causes the tile to debond.  That is rare, but it can happen.  Normally in floods the water comes from above the tile.

The tiles may not have been installed properly or over the proper substrate and in that case if it were subjected to a flood it may have caused the tiles to debond, where if there hadn't been a flood they would have stayed attached.

The only way to determine why the tiles debonded is to intrusively remove tiles of various conditions and investigate the problem.  We do have inspectors located near most markets nationwide and can perform an investigation to to determine the problem and how to remediate it. 
 
As forensic investigators we do charge for our time during the whole process .  Depending on the extent of your problem, it may or may not be practical for you to employ our full forensic services.   Good Luck!


Updated: February 6th 2009


Tile Damaged by Acid - Last year the contractor fixed for my house porcelain tiles. After fixing he diluted a little acid in water to do the cleaning. At first it was ok but now as time goes the floor looks faded and the shine has decreased. it looks like there is a layer of dirt on top of the tiles. is there any way to solve this problem?

ANSWER - What you describe sounds like the installer tried to clean the porcelain ceramic tile with too corrosive of a acid cleaner.  The acid likely etched the surface of the tile, which permanently damages the surface.  Some glazed tile surfaces are more sensitive to acid than others, so it may work on some tiles, but not on others. 

Sometimes the acid etching is done intentionally to tiles that are too slippery and the treatment makes the tile more textured and slip resistant.  The trade off is it makes the tile look different and it tends to get dirty and you have to clean it more frequently.


Updated: January 31st 2009


Excessive Tile Lippage at tile edge - I’m not sure if you can answer a question for me that I have had a hard time finding the answer to. Is there a lippage requirement on ceramic tile floor in California? I think I have 16 or 18 inch floor tiles that the installation is very uneven.

ANSWER - There are industry standards (ANSI A108.02-4.3.7-2005) that state that for tiles that are consistently sized the grout joints ¼” wide or more can not have any lippage greater than 1/16 inch.  If the grout joint is less than ¼ inch wide, then the grout joint can not have any lippage greater than 1/32 inch.

If you think the job is large enough to warranty the cost of a professional inspection then go to our Forensic Failure inspection section of our website at Inspection Services.

Good Luck!


Updated: November 10th 2008


Grout Chipping and Powdering - I have a floor that the grout is chalking and chipping, It has been sealed. this is occuring even in nontraffic areas. What could be some of the causes?

ANSWER - Normally when there is a problem it is the result of compounding factors that each contribute to the problem to some degree.

The grout was likely over watered when mixed and during the clean-up that can result in diminishing the cement content causing the grout to be weaker and possibly powder (turn to a grout dust).

There is a possible compounding issue that the floor has too much deflection and movement within it.  The movement maybe excessive due to the floor not being constructed to be as structurally sound as it should be, which could be caused by a number to different issues.

If the floor doesn't have expansion joints every 20 to 25 feet in each direction and along the perimeter of the floor at restraining surfaces this could further contribute to the problem.

The grout maybe the primary problem and the movement secondary, and maybe regrouting might solve the problem.  Or it maybe the other way around and regrouting won't help because the floor has too much movement.

The only way to determine the cause of the problem is to perform a forensic investigation, but considering the cost, it may not be practical depending on the size and value of your installation.  For more information on our forensic investigation services go to Job Problem Inspections.

Good Luck!


Updated: November 3rd 2008


Moisture Problem in Tile Floor - We have a problem with our 2 year old house. The tile is coming up in places. The contractor tested for moisture in the slab because I wanted to see if we could put down hardwood. How do we get the moisture in the slab fixed. The tile contractor says that if we put down a barrer that he is afraid the moisture will go up the walls and creature a mold problem. We are going to put the tile down, but have to fix this problem first. The contractor must fix it. I am just trying to see what can be done. After a meeting this morning, I feel the contractor does not know what to do. Our general Contractor is no longer in bussiness. The registra of contractors says the tile contractor must make it right. I am just looking for answers. No other house in this community seems to have this problem. My dream house seems to be evaporating. Any help will be appreciated.

ANSWER - There is no simple answer to your question without thoroughly investigating your situation, but I will make some general comments to help you to decide how to proceed.

There is an ASTM F-1869 Calcium Chloride Vapor Transmission test that can be performed by a qualified third party to determine how much moisture vapor is coming through your concrete slab floor.  There is also an ASTM F-2170 Relative Humidity (RH) test method that can be performed to determine how much moisture is in your slab.  This information will tell you if the level of moisture is acceptable relative to the installation products and methods you are using.

Moisture by itself normally does not harm ceramic tiles, particularly if it was installed per industry standards.  Depending on how the tile was installed and with what materials, the moisture can affect the components that can lead to problems.   When there is a tile failure, such as the tiles coming loose, it is normally due to multiple factors rather than one problem such as moisture.

You need to determine if the moisture is excessive or not.  Ceramic tile can take a lot more moisture than hardwood.  If the moisture is excessive then you need to know where it is coming from to minimize it. Maybe from the landscape adjacent to the house or? There are moisture barriers that can be installed to minimize moisture depending on what type of moisture condition you have.  The moisture problem can be fixed if the source of the moisture is found.

For information on having a forensic investigation performed go to our website at www.CTaSC.com at Job Problem Services. Good Luck!


Updated: October 29th 2008


Tile Installation Flood Damage - I own a condo in florida that sustained a roof collapse and flood. At one point there were 6 inches of standing water on my porcelain tile. The standing water was not drained for 4 hours. I also have cork underlayment. Since the flood was the responsibility of the condo association(roof rain drain pipe broke), the assoc. is trying to argue that the tile floor will be fine. I am concerned that the cork and concrete floor below have absorbed water and will eventually cause tenting of the tiles.....over time. I need an expert to simply write a letter of professional opinion explaining why the tile floor will need to be taken up and replaced. Is this something you do and if so, what is the fee.

ANSWER - I understand that your Condo's porcelain tile installed over a cork sound control mat over a concrete substrate was subjected to about 6 hours of flooding.  You are concerned that it may have caused damages that may require replacing your floor.

The only way to determine if your floor has sustained damages is to intrusively remove small sections of the floor and look for evidence of damages.

Porcelain tile is impervious so water would not migrate through it, but it could migrate to some degree through your cementitious grout joints.   The tile would not significantly expand from the water because it is impervious.   The ceramic tile itself would not be harmed by the water condition.

Tenting of floors is primarily caused by a deficient tile bond and lack of expansion joints or movement within the floor would secondarily contribute to the problem.

The legitimate cork sound control mats being sold are not affected by water because of its binders and the way it is made.  If it were not a legitimate cork product then it could retain moisture and lead to microbial growth if it didn't dry quickly.  

Because the water could only migrate through the grout joints, I am not sure if the underlying materials would be that damp or saturated or anything in between.  If there were voids under the tile within the thin-set adhesive then it might further perpetuate water migration into the underlayment.

I would be concerned about your non-tile walls that are likely a paper face gypsum product that is very prone to water damage.

Again, the only way to determine if your floor assembly has been damaged by the flooding is to perform an inspection.  We could only make the comments I have given you in a letter, since we don't have any evidence showing whether there is a problem or not. 

We do have local inspectors in Florida and could perform an inspection to determine if there are any damages. As expert consultants we do charge for our time during the whole process. Depending on the extent of your problem, it may or may not be practical for you to employ our full forensic and consulting services.  Please visit our forensic investigation section of our website at www.CTaSC.com. Good Luck.


Updated: October 8th 2008


Limestone Cracking - i laid 250m2 of turkish limestone into a new development 6 months ago the property is still empty but the stone is starting to break up inline with the grain and it looks like the resin is coming to the surface can you help?

There isn't enough information and details to give you a specific answer to your problem.  We would need to inspect the site and perform various intrusive and non-intrusive tests to come to a reasonable conclusion.

 

I can say that the stone will not crack unless it is subjected to some force or action.  Cracks can develop if the substrate below is cracked and it continues up through the stone.  It can also crack if there are voids under the stone and as it is traveled over the live loads cause it to crack.

 

Because you said the cracks seem to follow the veins and that it appears to you that resin is coming to the surface, then I would consider that you may have excessive moisture in the substrate and vapor transmission through the stone is leading to crystallization in those veins.  The expansive nature of crystallization may then be causing the cracking in those joints.

 

CTaSC can perform a Forensic Investigation to determine your problem.  Good Luck!


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Loss-of-Bond/Tenting - I have a customer who recently had a water loss / Broken pipe. Water traveled throughout the home and in less than five days the ceramic floor tile began to tent. The insurance carrier / adjuster want to say that this floor was improperly installed, although this floor is approx 14 years old and never had an incident until now. Is there any documentation to prove that excessive water can cause tile tenting or even hollowness after hot water submerges the floor tile surface.

Regarding your situation where inside your customer's home the ceramic tile was subject to flooding and was submerged in hot water for some period of time. Apparently after that incident, the ceramic tile had areas where it lost bond and there was tenting in the tile. Your question is whether the flooding caused the problem or if the ceramic tile may have been installed incorrectly?

Ceramic tile should be able to withstand being submerged in hot water. What probably happened is that the floor tile was a more porous ceramic tile and as it absorbed water and was subjected to heat the tile expanded. Per industry standards there should be properly placed expansion joints at the perimeter of the room and throughout the installation to allow the tile to move. If the thin-set used was not high quality and if it didn't get as good of bond as it should have then it would further contribute to causing the tenting problem.

Keep in mind that flooding could cause the ceramic tile to stain, depending on what type of tile you have, and it can cause the grout to stain. It could also cause adjacent materials i.e. wood to expand and cause unreasonable pressure on the existing tile that would further contribute to the problem. Also if is has a wood sub floor that got wet then it could expand from the moisture and then warp when drying that could cause tenting problems.

It would have to be thorough investigated to determine the problem. For information on our job problem investigation services please visit the Forensic Investigations section of this website for more information and prices.  Good Luck!


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Bond Failure - a local contractor installed on the floor of my residence in San Diego a porcelain large size tile manufactured in Spain. He used a custom Building thinset mortar premium for Marble and Stone, from Home depot The whole job needs to be reinstalled as there was no adhesion between the tile and the thinset. The base floor is wood and has been reinforced prior to installation. The wood floor has been recover by hardibacker boards. What kind of thinset would you recommend for Porcelain Tile. (non porous)
Porcelain Tile should be installed with a latex modified thin-set or a polymer modified thin-set. The Custom Marble Granite Mortar I believe is a polymer modified thin-set. For larger tiles 12x12 or larger should use a 1/4" sq. notch trowel. Use flat side of trowel to spread first on subfloor then trowel with notch side in one direction "Only" then set tile into thin-set and move in a perpendicular direction to the trowel marks and push down to embed tile. Don't trowel too far ahead and make sure thin-set stays tacky.

If the thin-set did not bond to the tile, then either the thin-set dried too quickly or installer waited too long before embedding the tile into the thin-set, relative to temperature and absroption rate of Hardibacker board, and it skinned over and lost bond.  Good Luck!


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Expansions Joints - Which factor would have the greatest influence, lack of an expansion joint (longest run is 38') or lack of moisture proof membrane beween the plywood and the tile? The house is 9 yrs old - why no problems until now - initiated use of a humidifier in the basement last summer or the cold snaps in Jan & Feb (55F to -7)?
Lack of expansion joints is number one enemy in our industry. Should be placed at least within every 36 feet in all directions for interior applications, around all perimeters of walls and columns, and at any transition of planes or transitions into other substrates and surface materials. If you don't have this doesn't mean you will have problems, only that you are more likely to have a problem.

A vapor or waterproof membrane between the plywood and ceramic tile isn't necessary, unless you are in a bathroom or another area that can get wet. If moisture comes from under wood, then wood can swell and warp causing stress on ceramic tile, and having a membrane won't prevent this and could make it worst. Of course, shouldn't have moisture coming up from under the wood. Good Luck!


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Cracks in Travertine - We have several tiles with hairline to larger cracks. The larger cracks appear to be structural, "heaving cement underneath" and will likely be replaced. However, we have many with hairline cracks. Are hairline cracks normal to travetine? The cracked tiles are not near a water source, so no water damage.

ANSWER - Hairline cracks are not normal with any tile. If you have areas with large cracks, it may be that they were hairline cracks when they began or they were caused by a separate problem. 

Shrinkage cracks in the concrete slab can telegraph up through the tile.

Structural cracks normally have vertical displacement and is a concrete slab or ground problem.

Some cracks are the result of excessive voids under the tile that have been subjected to some point load that the tile couldn't resist.

Cracks don't repair themselves, so replacement would be the solution, however, analyzing what is below the travertine will let one know
why they have cracked and how to remedy the problem, so they don't happen again.

If it becomes necessary to have a professional investigation performed for your situation, you can consider retaining CTaSC services to do so.  Visit www.CTaSC.com for more information.

Good Luck,


Updated: August 30th 2008


Slate debonding on Patio - I had 18inch slate tiles installed over a concrete patio that was approximately six weeks old. The contractor is noticing that many of the tile thinset is not adhering to the crack isolation membrane that was applied. The thinset is adhering to the back of the tiles, just not the membrane. Do you know of any situations or occurrences where this happened. Are rapid or fast cure thinset more probable from not adhering to the membrane. I do not know the brand of membrane but I do know that it was blue and that they used a roller to paint it on and then it dried to almost a spongy/fabric material. I apologize about so much detail but I am very confused and troubled why this is happening.

ANSWER - Generally when there is a problem there are compounding factors that lead to the problem.  Without intrusively investigating your situation then it would be difficult to determine what has caused the debonding of your tiles.  Here are some general points to consider:
• They don’t make one-sided thin-set.  If it bonds to one side and not the other then there is something acting as a bond breaker.
• Need to understand what type of membrane was used and what type of thin-set was used to bond to the membrane to see if they are compatible.  The thin-set used should be what the membrane manufacturer recommends to be used.  Normally it requires a modified thin-set that meets ANSI A118.4.
• If the membrane is compatible with the thin-set, then is there some sort of contaminate on the membrane that is acting as a bond breaker?  E.g. dirt, sealer, etc.
• If the membrane doesn’t have a contaminate is there evidence that the thin-set had skinned over before the tile was applied to the membrane?  Was thin-set also applied to the membrane directly to key the thin-set into the membrane?  Yes, rapid setting thin-sets are more prone to skinning over because there is less open time and faster setting time.
• Are there expansion joints (open or filled with an appropriate sealant – not hard grouted in or butted up to a restraining surface) at the perimeters and transitions of the floor and within every 8’ to 12’ in each direction?   The lack of expansion joints puts stress on the tile assembly during normal movements caused by moisture, temperature and dynamic structural movements.  If the tile isn’t bonded well then the stress could contribute to the debonding.
• It is assumed the substrate is a slab on grade or otherwise the deflection of it should not exceed L/720 over wood subfloors or L/360 over concrete subfloors.  If the tile isn’t bonded well then the excessive movement could contribute to the debonding.

If it becomes necessary to have a professional investigation performed for your situation, you can consider retaining CTaSC services to do so.  Visit www.CTaSC.com for more information.


Updated: August 30th 2008


Tile Debonding from Slab - Could you please steer me in the right direction to find literature on why large portions of ceramic tile separate from a slab on grade dispite proper installation?

ANSWER - If the tile debonded from the slab then it wasn't completely properly installed.  Properly installed means properly preparing the slab to make sure it is suitable for the installation as well as using the proper installation products, a suitable tile, and then installing the tile per industry standards.

It is our experience that failures occur due to several compounding problems and not because of one issue.  Your situation would need to be fully evaluated to determine what lead to the problem and how best to remediate it.

You can go to our FAQ section at www.CTaSC.com to see more information on problems or to arrange for a third party inspection to evaluate your situation.

Good Luck!


Updated: February 26th 2008


Grout Cracking Problem - We had new tile floor installed over wood sub floor.The problem is the tile grout keeps cracking.the floor is apprx.600 sq.ft.I think the floor was properly prepared befors installing tile and would like a second opinion.
ANSWER - Generally when there is a problem it is due to compounding factors.  Your wood subfloor may not have the correct configuration or it may not have been constructed correctly that is resulting in excessive deflection within the floor.  Or perhaps this is a backerboard installation over the wood subfloor and it isn’t properly attached.  Or perhaps the ceramic tiles are not bonded properly to its substrate and they are coming loose causing the grout to crack.  Or it may be a combination of all those issues.  We can evaluate the tile installation and determine if there are deficiencies and what the likely cause of the problems are.  To fully evaluate the wood subfloor configuration to see if it complies with the IRC (International Residential Code) standard would require having a structural engineer specializing in wood subfloor assemblies evaluate it.
Updated: February 18th 2008


Mildew on Shower Floor Grout Surface - The grout on my shower floor has developed mildew and it keeps returning within a week after I clean it. What can I do to keep it away?
ANSWER - The mildew on the surface of the shower floor is an indication that perhaps water is trapped in the shower pan and is not able to escape to the drain, assuming you have adequate ventilation in your bathroom.   We commonly see where the installer does not properly presloped the shower pan substrate so the slope of the waterproof membrane is to the drain ¼” per foot and/or they don’t put weep hole protectors (gravel) around the drain on top of the membrane to keep those weep holes open for water to escape.  The only way to confirm this is to take the shower pan apart at the drain and at the corner of the shower pan.  Good Luck!
Updated: November 7th 2007


Staining Granite - Our kitchen, scullery and laundry room has beech colour granite tops which are fairly light in colour. Sadly it is staining quite badly and the granite supplier said that it's the colour we chose but also we have to be careful with what we put on it. Every single home we go to does not have this problem and they put hot pots & pans direcly on the granite. We received a second opinion and they said that the initial sealing process was not done properly and hence the staining. No matter how many times you treat the granite tops it will stain. Water marks come and go but in a kitchen we use oil and various other ingredients for cooking. The oil marks are staining permanently. I would be very grateful if I could get some advice as we are considering the legal route with the supplier. Sadly there is no body for granite specialists. For approximately US$10,000 worth of granite in a kitchen, should we be experiencing these problems????

ANSWER - Chances are the stone that you have may be over-burden granite or a type of metamorphic stone called gneiss, which commonly is sold as granite. 

Often these types of stones are very colorful with a lot of movement and desirable by the consumer.

Many of these stones are less stable than good quality granite so they are treated with a resin at the processing plant to provide more stability during transportation and fabricating.

Granite is an intrusive igneous rock composed of 25% to 35% quartz and over 50% potassium and sodium—rich feldspars, with about 20% minerals.

Granite and these other stones will vary in their physical properties depending on where it is mined relative to which part of the world, which quarry and which location within the quarry it was extracted.

There are physical properties standards for Granite per ASTM C615 for it to be considered standard grade granite.  The absorption of the granite must be between 0.02 and 0.40 percent, which makes it very stain resistant.  Granite is resistant to acidic material that will etch some stone surfaces leaving stains. Granite and other types of stone are very resistant to heat, but if it has been treated with a resin it may not be as resistant, but it is known to be resistant to heat with quality resins.

The resin coating on the slabs that have it can stain or smudge when subjected to certain materials or conditions.

If your stone slab is readily absorbing water and other liquids then it is high in absorption and likely not a true granite. 

The only way to know for sure what you have and its physical properties is to test it, which could cost several thousand dollars.

You can apply sealers that will help make the stone more stain resistant, but they only work if material does not sit on the surface too long and that it is reapplied about every 6 months.

Good Luck!


Updated: November 6th 2007


Indent Fracture in Stone - I had a travertine tile floor installed in my kitchen in the late summer of 2006. It was hard to see at first, only when the light hit it in a certain way, but there now appears to be a long, serpentine, wavy DENT crossing right through the tiles and going down the whole length of the floor! Some of it is actually cracking in the dent in places. I am horrified. What has happened? And will this get worse?
ANSWER - What you have described sounds like a condition we see in some stone floors called “indent fracture.”   Many times you can’t see it unless light shines on it from a certain angle and normally you can’t feel it either.  These fractures can result in an actual crack if there is enough movement in the floor.  This condition is typically caused by excessive shrinkage in the either the thin-set adhesive or the mortar bed under the tile during the installation for a number of possible reasons.  Grinding the travertine might minimize the condition, but you may need to replace those tiles and repair the area under the tile if necessary.
Updated: August 20th 2007


Stains in Glazed Tile - I have these "ghostly" white blotches on ceramic tile in my kitchen. It almost looks like someone spilled a cleaner in many areas. The rest of the tile is shiny, and when you wet these "ghostly" areas, they disappear until the water dries up. We can't afford to replace the entire kitchen at this time. Is there anything we can do to make things look better?

ANSWER - Chances are the spots you see are etched spots.  This is caused by acidic substances such as juice, alcohol, etc. coming in contact with glazed tile where the glaze is acid sensitive.  Normally these glazes are also softer glazes that tend to scratch.

Unfortunately there isn’t any way to repair these spots if in fact they are etched spots. You will need to replace those tiles with new tiles. Good Luck!


Updated: August 19th 2007


Kitchen Countertop Failing - We live in a house that is approximately 20 years old. We have been leasing it for approximately 3 years. Our kitchen has a simple countertop with white ceramic tile laid and joined together with grout. Over the years there have been cracks and staining in the grout (long before we arrived). And over the past few months there is seepage of water from the cracked grout circling the kitchen sink and now underneath the tiles immediately adjacent to the kitchen sink where I only occasionally leave freshly washed dishes. So much so that the wood underneath is soaked and smells mildewed. Is this more likely grout failure from poor grout composite, lack of using sealant in the grout, repetitive damage in the last three years, or regular wear and tear for a 20 some year house?

ANSWER - The description of your kitchen counter leads me to belief that they installed the tile directly to a wood top without a waterproof membrane on top of it.  That is not a good installation.  A proper tile installation should be preferably over a cementitious base.  You can only install over a wood base if there is a waterproof membrane on top.

Tile countertop installations should last the life of the home if they are installed correctly.  The fact that your grout has cracked and water has migrated to the wood base indicates it was not installed correctly.  The only way to fix it is to redo the counter top correctly.  Good Luck!


Updated: August 19th 2007


Ring Spots in Stone - I am from auckland new zealand. I own tiling contracting company. recentley had a job to install basalt 600x400x10 onto compressed sheat (cement board)to walls in main lobby. supplyer of tile adhesive Mapei New Zealand had specified Kerabond + Isolastic (cement based adhesive). after an water washing the stone showed ring shaped spots of moisture ( three month later it's still there. i've reversed process by making one sample tile spot fixed,after few day of cure i've wet it - showed same affect,left it in the open air area and it dissappered. Lobby area is quite enclosed, which i think slowimg drying process.can you please give me some idea how to treat it. Basalt is vulcanic stone. many thanks

ANSWER - I'm not sure what type of product Mapei Isolatic is.  Since it is being added to Kerabond it must be a latex additive.

The ring shape spots of moisture suggest to me that you may have spot bonded the tiles, which isn't recommended.  The tiles should have full thin-set contact.  The spot bond areas are probably retaining moisture and the moisture is migrating into the stone at those locations, and until they dry out the spots will show.  Basalt is normally very dense, so I'm surprised that the stone is absorbing, but you implied that the stone does absorb.

If you said the adhesive was a mastic then I would think that the oils in the mastic might have migrated into the stone, but that would not dry out.

The only way to speed it up is to heat the tile at those spots and see what happens. Consider using an electrical heat gun with high heat intensity and see what happens. 

Good Luck!


Updated: May 8th 2007


Hollow Tiles over Composite Board - Am having problems with an installer. Have porcelain tile in bathroom with no backer-board and on composite board. Other rooms have "hollow" sounds coming from the tile as if there is no adhesive underneath. NEED HELP and ADVICE!!

ANSWER - Tile should never be installed over a composite board because they are water sensitive and relatively unstable.  There are some applications where you can install over exterior grade plywood for interior applications, but not in a bathroom that is considered a wet area.

If some of the tiles sound hollow, but others sound solid then it is likely that the tile was not bonded adequately to the substrate and it has come loose to some degree.
 
To qualify the condition of your floor would require performing a forensic investigation to determine the cause of the problems, to determine if the installations meet industry standards and the standard-of-care for professional installers, and to determine how best to remediate the problems.  
 
CTaSC does provide those investigation services throughout the country, but for a small bathroom it wouldn’t be financially practical because as consultants and investigators we charge for our time including travel time, inspection time, and time to research and write the report.  This service normally cost between $2,000 to $4,000 depending on the amount of time involved including the distance from our closest inspector.  I think we do have an inspector within a couple of hours of your location.
 
If you only have a small area then I think your best bet would be to try and find an installer who is knowledgeable and qualified to repair or replace the floor.  If you want to pursue restitution from the original installer then you should consider going through the better business bureau or small claims court systems.  Good Luck!


Updated: January 27th 2007


Repair Granite Seam - I have had Juparana Columbo for about 6 years. I have one seam that was sealed with an epoxy and ok--I recently had my floors tiled - and the installers had to pull out the stove, remove kickboards. Afterwards I noticed that the the two sides of the seam are no longer even one slightly higher, and the cleft between more obvious. How can this be repaired? I'm really upset, the cabinet underneath doesn't appear collapsed. Thank you.

ANSWER - It appears the tile installers subjected the counter top to excessive movement during their tile installation.  The seam of the granite is a weak point so the force it was subjected to was greater than it could resist. 

It can be repaired and likely will look as good as new if a qualified and competent stone fabricator does the repair.  They can align the slab to be level and properly supported, and then they can re-epoxy and clamp the piece together.  Then they can finish the surface so it looks acceptable.

Good Luck!


Updated: January 4th 2007


Crack in Tile over Radiant Heating - HELP! Can you tell me what kind of solutions are to be had for repairing cracks of tiling when there is in-floor-heat underneath? Can it be repaired...or is the best solution just to tear all of it out?

ANSWER - If there is a crack in the ceramic tile floor you need to determine what caused it to determine how to fix it.

It could be the tile had voids or was not bonded correctly.  If it is an isolated spot then you can repair it fairly easy.

If the crack is telegraphing up from the mortar bed where the radiant heating is embedded then it would require repairing or replacing the mortar bed.  Whether you have to replace the radiant heating depends on what type of radiant heating you have.

There is no way to easily answer your question.  If it is a small application you should hire a qualified installer to look at it for you.  If it is a larger application where it may justify paying for our services then we could investigate it for you.

Good Luck!


Updated: January 3rd 2007


Flooded Tile floor over wood - I live in Metairie, LA and experienced flooding in my raised house (4 feet outside, 1 foot inside for 2 weeks). A contractor says that I must remove my ceramic tile from the floor (over plywood). Is this common practice?

One of the drawbacks with installing over wood is if the wood gets wet it expands and when it dries it warps causing various structural stress on the floor and to anything attached to it.

 

There is a chance that the whole floor may need to be replaced.  Certain types of wood sub-floors will be more susceptible to damage than others.

 

You can wait and see, by letting the floor complete dry out for a month or so and then see if there is any damage in terms of cracked grout or tile.

 

If you have problems then you may have to replace both the tile and wood sub-floor depending on the condition of the wood.  Wood does tend to loose some of its structural strength after it has gotten wet.  If the wood is determined to be substantially suitable, then you can apply a cementitious mortar bed backer board over it for the installation of your new tile.

 

Good Luck!


Updated: September 30th 2005

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