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  1. What Coverage and Price will I get with the thin-set Adhesive? - What is the average price per square foot of Ceramic Tile Adhesive (The Cementitious Kind)? How many square feet can a standard package of Ceramic Tile Adhesive cover when laying tile?
  2. Can Ceramic Tile be Installed over CMU (concrete masonry unit) block? - Can I install Ceramic tile over a CMU wall?
  3. How do I install Mosaic Tiles to be Freeze Thaw Proof - I am doing a tile mosaic on a circular concrete base about two inches thick. It will be used as a table top, but will be about a hundred pounds, and difficult to move around. I would like to take precautions so that it will resist the freezing winters in the northeast. Is there anything you may be able to recommend insofar as special mortar or anything to insure it will be weather proof?
  4. Installation Guidelines for Ceramic Tile and Natural Stone - How do I know whether my tile installer is installing my tile correctly so it will perform well and last?
  5. Installation Guidelines for Ceramic Tile and Stone - How can I be sure that my tile installer will install my ceramic tile or stone correctly?
  6. Installation Procedures - How do I make sure my Ceramic Tile or Natural Stone gets installed correctly by my tile installer?
  7. How do I install Tile on an upper Exterior Patio Deck over a room? - I plan on installing tile over an outside deck with a wood subfloor. Do i need to have a Roofing Company to apply asphalt, and than do i apply to coats of permabase, to make sure the room undernith the deck doesn't get water infriltration?
  8. Do I need Expansion Joints? and Crack Isolation Membranes? - I have an exterior patio on ground that is and has no expansion joints, and has several cracks. What is your recommendation for the cracks or the type of barrier to be applied.
  9. What type of Tile should I use on my Patio? - I am a resident of South Florida and would like to tile my enclosed screened in patio. I have been reccommended to use porcelain tile but the choices are limited and have not found a suitable choice. I am re-considering using a texured ceramic tile and would like your recommendations. The patio at this time is not a high traffic area. How does a ceremic tile hold up to the high humidity and moisture?
  10. Vapor Barriers under Concrete Slab - We are undertaking a large tile project on Florida and need your advice. We are laying concrete in a large enclosed area by building up the heighth with dirt/sand, then compressing the soil,digging/building footers, spraying for termites, then laying ribar. Qs: Do we need a moisture barrier? Would the moisture barrier be applied after termite but before ribar? While the concrete will be inside we do intend to have non load bearing wall installed over part. will a 4" depth of concerete be sufficient? How long should be allow the concrete to cure before installing cermaic tile? Any pointers on ceramic tile installation? This project is on an Island so moisture IS an issue! Thanks!
  11. Why use Sealant in Transition joints? - someone else mentioned that about sealing the transition joints, I'm just curious as to why is that important, if there is a vapour barrier behind the wall?
  12. Exterior Deck Tile Installation - We recently added a 2nd story "veranda" and covered screened porch to our home.Roughly 300 sq ft is outside exposed to the elements. climate temperatures reach 0 degrees and we have ice and snow as well as 100 degrees in summer. Porcelain tile was used with the following specs:oefficient of Friction Durability Classification Glaze Hardness Water Absorption Shade Variation Break Strength Dry:0.65 Wet: 0.60 Class IV 8.0 Mohs <= 0.5% 4 - High 400 lbs. Average 1 layer of rubber type waterproofing was applied over advantac( osb) subfloor. The area is 750 sq ft total. then backer boards were screwed in with screws every 18 inches. The tile was set with TEC prep triple flex says it meets ANSI A118-10 specifications. The grout is TEC Accucolor 650 premium sanded grout and a ANSI A118.6 specified product. The work was completed in 2 days and the grout applied on the 3rd day. Temperatures were in 90 and full sun. please advise if this was sufficient to last long term as an exterior application with constant heat and moisture.
  13. Installing Porcelain Tile with Mastic - I came across your website and hope that you might be able to provide some advice, or point me in the right direction to get some. I'm renovating a small bathroom (two walls exterior facing). I spent the weekend applying porcelain floor tiles to the walls and tub surround (using proper tile backerboard - 1/2 inch)... the tiles are 12" x 12" and 16" x 16" inch - floor tile. I used mastic instead of mortar for the job, and I'm having serious second thoughts. My concern is that: a) the mastic may not be strong enough to support the weight. While installing, I used a couple of nails to support each tile. I'm thinking of leaving them in place and grouting them right in. The other concern is that moisture in the tub surround area may eventually cause the mastic to emulsify and release prematurely. I read a bit about this on various forums, and see conflicting reports about the suitability of mastic to wet areas - and or heavy tiles - I used a 1/4" x 1/4" notched trowel. Got very good adhesion while setting the tiles... but I'm worried. The grout will be 3/16"... will that grout transmit some moisture to the back of those tiles, and would that or any condensation on the back of the tiles caused by a hot shower on a cold day cause the mastic to emulsify and eventually release? hope you can provide some insight here, and keeping my fingers crossed that you'll say it should be fine. Thanks in advance for any wisdom you may provide.
  14. Tile Lippage (one edge higher than the other) - i am building a new home they have laided the tile down and it looks likse some of the tiles are not flat with the neighboring tile. Is there a standard amount of error allowed. to me it should all be perfect level. when you walk on it barefooted you can feel the uneveness in the tiles... thanks for you help.
  15. Warped Travertine Stone Tiles - I am doing a travertine job for a lady and they stored the 12 x 12 pieces under the house (on stilts) for over a year. The tile was on a pallet but the pallet was warped and sitting on a slope. Could this cause the travertine to warp?
  16. Bolting Table to Tile - I have a ceramic tile floor in my kitchen. I am having a booth built to replace the kitchen table. The table leg must be securred to the floor with screws or bolts, as the base of the leg will be concealed under the seating part of the bench. I'll be drilling through the sub floor as well, and the bolts will go down through the floor and sub floor and into the basement. There, nuts will be used to tighten down the bolts to really keep the table leg from moving at all. Surely, the ceramic tiles are going to crack when I tighten the bolts down. My question is, should I: (1) put a steel plate over top of the ceramic tile and drill through that, because if the tiles break up the steel plate will still hold everything in place, or: (2) remove ceramic tiles that would have to be drilled through, and replace them with another material of the same thickness that wouldn't break or crack? I search for ceramic tile experts and came to your site. If one of the experts has any thoughts on this and can offer any suggestions, I would be extremely grateful.
  17. Adhesive and Grout for Underwater - Is there a waterproof grout and adhesive? One that could be underwater such as in a birdbath?
  18. Installing an Exterior Deck - I'm installing tile on 3/4" plywood subflooring (interior grade and cannot be changed)on an exterior, covered balcony over occupied interior space. Rain may blow in onto the tile. Any recommendations for the layers and waterproofing? I planned to install sloped cement, then EDPM pond liner, then 1/2" cement board painted with Red Guard, and then the tile with drains.
  19. Replacing Existing Tile over Mortar Bed - I have porcelain tile in my kitchen, installed by previous owners. Cabinets, fridge, stove, etc, are on top of the tile. The tile is white, picks up all dirt, food, etc and I want to replace. Contractors I've talked to are worried about how to remove it; if it was laid with a 'wet bed" and whether they can safely and professionally remove the tile and lay somethign else down. I can't lay new flooring on top, because it would be too high. I thought this would be a common problem, but apparently, it's not. do you have any suggestions? I live outside of Philadelphia. Thanks--I could really use a professional opinion.
  20. Installing Tile over Epoxy Floor - Can ceranmic tile be laid on an epoxy floor? If so, does any special prep need to be done?
  21. Installing Porcelain Tile over Painted Concrete - I would like to place porcelain tile over a painted concrete slab. How should I do this?
  22. Can you install tile over Wood - I am an art teacher and we want to make a tile,ceramic sign. Can tiles be adhered to plywood for a sign? I can't find the answer anywhere on the web. We are handmaking our sign with a slab roller.
  23. Tile over Tile Installation - Can I install new ceramic floor tiles over the exhisting ceramic tile floor in my kitchen? Does the old floor have to be prepared in any way? What type of morter/bonding agent should I use? The reason for the new installation: quite a few tiles have cracked over the years and we would like to update the look of the floor. The cracks are thin hairline cracks due to the home being over 100 years old and the foundation being uneven, a contractor tried to "jack up" the home after the tile was originally installed causing some minor cracks.
  24. Mortar Bed Compressive Strength - An architect has requested that the mortar bed be at least 4000 PSI compressive strength. Do you know on average what a typical TCA F-111 would be with standard raw sand and cement? Any information will be appreciated.
  25. Trim - I have 1/2" travertine in 8" x8" being installed on bathroom walls. Could you please let me know if there is anything else besides quarter round for the exposed edges (I have 1/2" scratch and brown coat on walls, I need something that will make up at least 1" thickness from the wall).
  26. Silicone Adhesive for Marble - I was curious about using silicone to attach marble in a shower installation?
  27. Substrate and Movement Joints - I'm installing 18"x18" tile to a very large area of floor, the floor starts over a heated basement,continues over a unheated crawl space and finishes over a concrete slab. what would the correct method in installing this tile over different areas, would i need to install expansion joints, if so, what type?
  28. Stone Installation subfloor - For a travertine install, I have 5/8 subfloor existing (square edge)and plan on using 3/4 u/l. AC fir grade is very expensive, cdx fir square edge in the middle and 3/4 tongue and groove is still $30. a sheet. If I use a crack suppression membrane like "Detra", which u/l should I use for the project?
  29. Outdoor Counter Top Re-Installation - I have an outdoor counter topped with 6x6 ceramic tiles, but the installer failed to ensure that the wood was properly protected. After five years, the plywood underlayment has rotted. I have been able to remove most of the now unmatchable tile, but it still has the mastic and the "wonderboard" adhering to it. What is the best method for removing this backing so that I may reconstruct the counter?
  30. Floor Warming - IS THERE A WAY OF HEATING A BATHROOM TILE FLOOR FROM THE BASEMENT BELOW. IS THERE SOME PRODUCT THAT CAN BE ATTACHED TO THE SUBFLOOR BETWEEN THE JOISTS IN THE BASEMENT?
  31. Installing Tile in Spa or Swimming Pool - I am in the process of installing new tile in the spa. some of the tile will be in water, the bottom of the spa is plaster. I have consulted with employees at several stores with a very conflicting amount of installing information and products to use. I would like the job done right the first time! I have installed tile on floors but this has to be water proof. The spa is in the down stairs bath, in the ground, with plaster. I have removed the tile and it looks like a gray thin set was used. It was attached to wood and cement. The old tile lasted 15 years but the grouting and some of the tile came loose. I wanted the new tile so I tackled the job. What kind of thin set and grouting should I use. My new tile is in sheets. What color grouting and does this come in mixed or do I mix with a special glue used for grouting and thin set?
  32. Ceramic Tile Suitable Substrate - I am a mosaic artist and I would like to know what surfaces tile can adhere to and when I need and don't need to use cement board. For example can tile adhere to surfaces such as glass, drywall, or particle wood without the use of a cement board?
  33. Ceramic tile over an existing ceramic tile installation - Can kitchen counter tile be installed over the existing counter without having to rip it out first?
  34. Installing Stair Trim - I have bought some tiles to finish an external concrete staircase. The tiles come with a separate bullnose edge. The treads and risers will be laid using cement/sand mix. What is your opinion regarding the method of installation of the bullnose. Should I fix the bullnose to the horizontal tile (tread) using some adhesive and then lay them together once they're bonded? In this case, what adhesive should I use? Is an epoxy adhesive appropriate?
  35. Sealing Tile - I installed a porous ceramic tile on a counter. I have sealed it with a 20 year teflon sealer. The tile is not glossy at all and I would like to have some shine on it. What can I use. I tested some polyurathane on some of the leftover tile and it was fine, but I don't want to do that on the counter unless I know that it is okay. Help!....Please
  36. Installing in a Basement - I want to install either ceramic tile or stone on a new basement floor I am having installed right now. What do I need to do to prepare for that installation?
  37. Adhering Tile to Ceiling - I'm putting up 6x8 tiles on a ceiling in my shower. They won't stay up long enough for the cement to dry. Is there a special cement, or how can we do it?
  38. Sealing Tile - I installed a porous ceramic tile on a counter. I have sealed it with a 20 year teflon sealer. The tile is not glossy at all and I would like to have some shine on it. What can I use. I tested some polyurathane on some of the leftover tile and it was fine, but I don't want to do that on the counter unless I know that it is okay. Help!....Please
  39. Exterior Chimney - Do you have any information on tiling the exterior of a stucco chimney? Below freezing in winter. Thanks
  40. Exterior Deck - Is it possible to adhere ceramic tiles to a waterproofing membrane over a concrete roof structure, over interior space in a climate such as Seattle?
  41. Layout - My husband is having trouble with the layout/cuts in the ceramic tile for our tub/shower area. There is an un-centered window in the primary wall. He keeps saying "no matter how I figure it, I still end up with 1/2" gap at the top of wall". Is there any way you can tell him what he's doing wrong? Thanks SOOO MUCH!
  42. Floor Preparation - Under the wall to wall carpeting that is there now, the floor is made of three materials. About 4 feet of it is old original 1/2 inch tiles and a large area that is cement (which was used to fill in large gaps of missing tile). What should I do?
  43. Install over Paint - We will be installing ceramic tile on concrete floors in the future, but for now, we would like to paint the floors. Will this effect installation in the future?
  44. Can you install ceramic tile over wood?
  45. Cutting Tile Curve - I would appreciate some advise on the best method or tools to use to cut a large curve around a bathtub. I am planning to use 12" x 12" ceramic tiles. I would like to install them without moulding. All of the tile saws I have are straight line cutters. What can I buy rent to cut a curve from a template?
  46. Installing ceramic tile on vinyl - My daughter recently bought a newly constructed spec home. She decided to have the vinly flooring changed to ceramic tile. She presumed the installers would take care of the prep and advise of any problems or challenges. She has found out that the tiles were layed on the existing flooring. Now her appliances will not fit. What other kinds of problems might she encounter as a result? Shouldn't the installers have pulled up the vinyl? Please advise all pros and cons and what she should do or insist on the having done.
  47. Installing Ceramic Tile on a Counter Top - I'm planning to install glazed floor tile (12x12) over cement board for a counter top. Any issues with this? And I plan to have 1/8" joints. What grout type would you recommend? Thanks for the help.
  48. Grout Joint Width - I have a remodel job being done on our master bath. 13x20 tiles are being used both in the shower and the main floor. I told them I don't want any grout line to speak of. The shower is almost complete. They pushed the tiles totally together (which I don't think is right) and there are gaps in other areas. I have as of today talked to a business that sells tile and asked them about this and they said there has to be a grout line in between the tiles, whether it is 1/16, 1/8 but tht there has to be space. Is this right and what is the smallest space that can be used? These people told me that there has to be some sort of a grout line because of possible movement in the wall. I plan on this same tile to be used on the floor in the bathroom so I want to get this right. Please Help!!! ASAP!
  49. Warming Tile - We are building a new home and I am wondering which type of tile would be warmer on the feet,ceramic or porcelain? It will be installed on a subfloor.
  50. Travertine Tile installed on a Laminate Countertop - Can travertine tile be installed directly to a kitchen laminate countertop or would a backer board be needed? Thanks
  51. Flush Sinks in Granite Top - Granite counter top sink cutouts are not as I ordered. I ordered the sink cutouts on counter tops made for our kitchen to be made FLUSH with the sink bowls.The sink manufacturer specified this on the prep sink cutout for accessories but not on the two bowl sink. I ordered the two bowl to be flush as well to match.They had both sinks in house and I provided them detailed drawings for reference.The tops were delivered with a 3/16 reveal on both sinks. The fabricator claims they are both to industry standards and refused to replace them. They say my directions were not writen into the contract so I should take them the way they are or take them to court. Do I have a legitimate gripe here or am I stuck with tops? Where could I acquire a copy of "industry standards"for the granite counter top industry? I tried the local BBB and NARI. They could not help.
  52. Should I use a Mortar Bed or a Backer Board under the tile - I have torn out my 7'x7' bathroom floor including what i think was a mortar bed - (a very sandy mixture). Now my floor is down to the concrete slab which is too low for me to install my tile. How do I raise or make a new mortar bed to raise my floor up at least 1 1/2"? Do I still need to apply backer board too after this is done or just put the tile directy on the new bed?
  53. Grouting Shower Walls - do I need to grout the wall tiles in my bathroom shower?
  54. Sealant/Caulking for Tile next to Woodstove - Need to use AccuColor sanded siliconized acrylic latex caulk around tiles being installed near a woodstove. Wanted to know if it can withstand high temperatures after application. The areas exposed to heat will only be about 120 degrees max. probably. Nothing was mentioned on caulk tube about temps it could withstand. Only mentioned temps in regards to when product is applied. Thank-you
  55. Sealant and Backer Rod for Bath tub to wall tile joint transition - I would like to try using polyethylene backer rod to solve my problem of a crack at the joint between the tub and the tile. What size backer rod should I be trying to use? With water in the tub, the crack was opening up to close to 1/4 inch. (Without water it's negligible.)
  56. Exterior Deck Installation - We are going to set porcelain tile on an exterior wood deck next week. We will install cementitious backer board first. Question is, since weather will likely be in 30's and 40's in the mornings, do we need to use a special thinset? We use a very good quality polymer fortified thinset for most every job. Will this be OK in the colder temps? We're talking high desert in AZ.
  57. Installing 18" x 18" tile in a bathroom - I am tiling my bathroom and want to use 18x18 tiles on the wall (wet area over backer board, dry area over drywall). Can I do that? Is there anything special I would need?
  58. Installations over CMU (concrete masonry unit)- Applying ceramic tile directly over CMU with latex modified mortar thin set on exterior wall, what type of waterproofing / moisture barrier do you apply on CMU ? Or do you even recommend the method of direct application of ceramic tile on CMU with thin set mortar ? Thanks,
  59. Slab Stone Vanity Installation - I had a company install Giallo Ornamental in my bath. I thought they were going to do a 2cm with a laminated edge on a plywood base. In fact, the owner showed me his shop and the high quality plywood. When the stone arrived at my home it was only 2cm. Apparently there was a big miscommunication error and I know have no plywood base. The granite it installed with two vessel sinks (one hole is cut so that the bowl rests down 3" within the granite and has no support). I worry about the strength of the countertop as one stretch is a diamond shape and is 54" long. Please let me know if it is better to have it ripped up and done the way I expected or to just put decking underneath the slab and within the cabinet. Thank you for your help.
  60. Installing Stone over Exterior Porch - I would like to install stone tile over a crawl space in a unheated porch. Will it work? Temp. range 90to -5.
  61. Install Floor Tile at Cabinets - I'm planning on changing my ceramic tiles in the house. My problem is how do I do it without moving the kitchen or vanity cabinets? I can move the fridge and stove to re-tile, but moving the cabinets is a big undertaking. Is there any device where I can cut the tile where the bottom of the cabinet touches the floor?
  62. Installing over Wood - Is it possible to tile a wood stair case without having cracks in the grout and tile after a few years?
  63. Sound Control Flooring Systems - I need info for material recommended for sound dampening underlayment material to be installed atop concrete flooring & under ceramic tile. Our Condo Association requires but can't find source.
  64. Tile over Tile Installation - I am considering installing travertine or marble flooring over existing 8" ceramic tile. The job is less than 1000 square feet and the existing tile is very secure and level. Also, the additional height to the floor will not pose any problems. Can you please provide any tips or advice regarding this situation. I am thinking there would be a specific type of thin-set which one would need to use in order to obtain excellent adherence to the smooth tile surface.
  65. Do Not Install over Plywood for Exterior Use - I am looking for an adhesive for an outdoor red clay mural we are making at our school. The flat clay figures have been kiln fired. They will be attached to plywood. The school is on the CA Central Coast. The temperatures range from low 30's to low 90's. Thank you for any help you can give us. We made one mural several years ago using mastic and some pieces have fallen off. Thank you!
  66. Install Stone Over Wood Subfloor - We are getting ready to install Travertine Natural Stone 18"X18" in our kitchen. It is a raised wooden subfloor. I am worried about the weight of the stone. There is a solid concrete wall underneath the two long sides of the kitchen. There are plenty of concrete pillars in the middle of the floor. Do you have any suggestions to ease my mind? or resources?
  67. Propane Heater Problems - My contractor says portable propane heat is ok to use when installing ceramic tile. The tile stores say NO. Who is right?
  68. Installing Tile on wood stair risers - I am interested in installing some ceramic tiles on staircase risers. I removed old carpeting from the staircase and got down to the wood staircase. I would like to leave the treads wood and install possibly Talavera tiles over the remaining wood substrate risers. What might be the recommended procedures and can I install the ceramic tile over the wood without using backerboard as well.
  69. Modified Thin-set Cementitious Adhesives - Can you tell me the difference between latex modified thin-set and polymer modified thin-set?
  70. Old Thin-set Removal - The first floor of my house is currently comprised of carpet in the living areas and tile in the kitchen and major hallways. I would like to install travertine through out the entire first floor. I've removed all the tile, but the thinset used to attatch the old tile is firmly attached to the concrete. The height difference between the thinset and the concrete foundation (after I removed the carpet) is negligible. Is it critical that I remove (scarify) all the adhering thinset on the floor prior to installing travertine? What is your recommended floor preparation under these circumstances? I want the foundation to be solid and the job to be done correctly, and would greatly appreciate your advice. My house is 12 years old and is located in the area of Phoenix, AZ. Thank you very much.
  71. Tile Installation over Cracks - I am building a house in Florida, and the slab is a year old, and its cracked. Before I install the ceramic tile, should I use any kind of underlayment to prevent the tile from cracking, and if yes, what kind? Can I use roof paper as an underlayment? I will appreciate your answer, thank you!
  72. Installing over Formica - I wish to cover my formica counter tops with 12" x 12" marble tiles. Question. Can I secure the tiles directly onto the formica and if so, what adhesive do you recommend?
  73. Shower base Tile - Do Wall tiles need to sit on top of floor tiles in wet areas?
  74. Removing Ceramic Tile - What is the best way to remove the tile on my bathroom walls? Is there a way to put wooden paneling over it?
  75. Installing over Existing Tile - IN MY KITCHEN WE HAVE THE WORST LOOKIN TILE ON THE WALLS EVER HOW COULD I STUCCO OVER IT OR CAN IT BE DONE I WAS TOLD THAT I COULD USE STUCCO AND PAINT OVER IT WILL THIS WORK ?? OR WILL IT BE A NIGHTMARE? THANKS FOR ANY HELP YOU CAN GIVE.
  76. Movement joint at wall perimeter - What do you think of running tile to the baseboard and then grouting between the baseboard and the tile? Would this increase the chances of tile cracking?
  77. Exterior Tile Installation - We purchased some ceramic tiles showing St. Jude in Santa Fe recently. We would like to use them outside in a small shrine. What should they be mounted on, with what type of mastic and what kind of grout. Maryland weather can be freezing or hot. The tiles would be covered on top, back and sides but open in the front.
  78. Installing Thin Glass Deco Inserts - We’re using GE Silicon to glue a piece of our glass mosaic to a piece of Formica in order to increase the thickness so it can be dropped into a stone border design. Do you see any drawbacks to this? The scored Formica back will be in contact with the thinset, or whatever setting method is used for the stone. The piece of glass will not be more than 2”x2”. Will the silicon yellow in sunlight? Can the silicon withstand freeze-thaw cycles? Any other questions I should be asking the manufacturer?
  79. Removing the old tile - I have a 15 year old outdoor patio consisting of 12 x 12 ceramic tiles placed over a cement foundation. The tiles are cracking and I would like to remove tiles (slippery, indoor tiles) and replace them with outdoor tile. My problem is how do I remove the tiles along with the adhesive to make the cement "clean and level" to accept new tiles?
  80. Removing Ceramic Tile - I have job to remove thousands of sq. ft of ceramic tiles. Any suggestions on the type of equipment to remove the ceramic tiles and adhesive (thinset)? We are not allowed to use any equipment that will produce odor within the building.
  81. Selecting an Installer - where would I start to find a good contractor and the best job for the price? Where would I begin? What should I be looking for? What questions should I remember to ask a contractor? Please respond if this is possible.

What Coverage and Price will I get with the thin-set Adhesive? - What is the average price per square foot of Ceramic Tile Adhesive (The Cementitious Kind)? How many square feet can a standard package of Ceramic Tile Adhesive cover when laying tile?

ANSWER - Your questions about thin-set dry set mortars (cementitious adhesive for ceramic tile and stone) can not be simply answered for the following reasons.

The cost of thin-set mortar can vary tremendously depending on the type.  There are non-modified thin-sets that can be used on more porous tiles over concrete that sell from $5 to $10 per 50lbs.  The more expensive ones have more cement and polymers, and perform better.  Then there are latex or polymer modified thin-set mortars that can range from $10 to $25 per 50lbs.  The more expensive ones have significantly better bond strength and working properties such as non-sag.

Then to compound the complexity of answering your question the amount of square coverage you get out of a 50lb bag of thin-set will vary significantly.  An irregular stone or mexican paver that requires a thicker application of the thin-set might only get about 25 to 50 sf per 50lbs particularly if the substrate is also irregular requiring more thin-set.  A mosaic porcelain tile might get over 200 sf per 50lb bag of thin-set.

So the answer to your question is it depends on which type of tile you are using, what the condition of the substrate is, and what type of thin-set you are using.

 


Updated: June 8th 2010


Can Ceramic Tile be Installed over CMU (concrete masonry unit) block? - Can I install Ceramic tile over a CMU wall?

ANSWER - Yes you can install ceramic tile over CMU (concrete masonry unit) blocks.

You need to properly prepare it to make sure it is free of any structural cracks, clean, and plumb.  You can bond the tile directly to it or you can fasten metal lath and apply a scratch and brown coat of mortar. 

For a direct bond to the CMU, it is recommended to skim coat it with the thin-set mortar to smooth it out prior to applying a liquid applied waterproof/crack isolation membrane.  Then use a high performance modified thin-set mortar exceeding ANSI A118.4 and make sure you achieve 95% contact bonding the tile to the membrane.  Then grout it.  To see a list of manufacturers who produce tile installation products go to our website at www.CTaSC.com and go to the Resource and Links page and there will be a list with links to their websites.  Good luck.
 


Updated: June 2nd 2010


How do I install Mosaic Tiles to be Freeze Thaw Proof - I am doing a tile mosaic on a circular concrete base about two inches thick. It will be used as a table top, but will be about a hundred pounds, and difficult to move around. I would like to take precautions so that it will resist the freezing winters in the northeast. Is there anything you may be able to recommend insofar as special mortar or anything to insure it will be weather proof?

ANSWER - First you need to verify that your mosaic is frost proof/freeze thaw stable.  If it is porcelain or vitreous clay tile it is possibly frost proof.  If it is a stone mosaic then it may or may not be frost proof.  The more dense/less porosity the stone the more likely it will be frost proof. If it is a glass mosaic it in itself is normally frost proof, but it needs be properly bonded.

As far as what to use to bond the mosaic to the concrete base it depends.  You can use a latex or polymer modified thin-set mortar that is recommended for freeze thaw applications.  You can use an epoxy adhesive for tile and that would work since it doesn't absorb moisture and has great bond strength.

It is critical that the concrete base is properly scarified to open its pores to ensure a good attachment prior to installation.  I would further recommend applying a liquid applied tile waterproof membrane first and then bond the mosaic to the membrane.  That will help keep the moisture out of the concrete and provide some protection from getting efflorescence from the concrete migrating to the surface of the tile.  For a list of tile installation product manufacturers with links to their websites go to our website at www.CTaSC.com to the resources and links page.  good luck.

 


Updated: May 27th 2010


Installation Guidelines for Ceramic Tile and Natural Stone - How do I know whether my tile installer is installing my tile correctly so it will perform well and last?

ANSWER - You as the owner need to either hirer a qualified third party tile quality control company such as Ceramic Tile And Stone Consultants (www.CTaSC.com) or you need to be the quality control inspector yourself.  You have to get the data sheets of all the products being used to include the tile data sheet, the thin-set data sheet, the backer board data sheet, the floor warming data sheet, the waterproofing data sheet, the grout data sheet, the sealant (caulking) data sheet, the sealer data sheet, etc.  Then you need to read the data sheets to make sure the installer is explicitely falling the data sheets.  If the installer doesn't follow the product data sheets and industry standards then any warranties become void.

In addition to that here is CTaSC's Installation Guidelines that you can use to help you better understand how a ceramic tile or natural stone should be installed:  CTaSC Installation Guidelines.  Good Luck.


Updated: May 4th 2010


Installation Guidelines for Ceramic Tile and Stone - How can I be sure that my tile installer will install my ceramic tile or stone correctly?

ANSWER - The key to a quality and succesful tile installation that will last many years is to have a quality control plan to ensure your installer is installing the tile correctly per industry standards.  If you can't afford to hire a qualified third party to implement the quality control plan then YOU must be the QC inspector to make sure it gets installed correctly.  The installer may have 30 years experience, but he probably is not familiar with all of the standards of the industry.  For some general installation guidelines download the following: Tile Installation Guidelines.


Updated: May 4th 2010


Installation Procedures - How do I make sure my Ceramic Tile or Natural Stone gets installed correctly by my tile installer?

ANSWER - Hiring the right installer is the difference between a delightful result and a nightmare.  Most installers don’t go to school to learn the trade, so even with good intentions, more often than not they don’t understand the complexity of the work, and they don’t know the industry standards.  So as a homeowner you need to act as the quality control inspector, making sure that industry standards and manufacturers’ instructions are followed. It’s important that you do your homework and learn what’s required to properly install a tile floor so it will last.  For Guidelines for Ceramic Tile and Stone tile Residential Installations click here: Installation Guidelines.


Updated: May 4th 2010


How do I install Tile on an upper Exterior Patio Deck over a room? - I plan on installing tile over an outside deck with a wood subfloor. Do i need to have a Roofing Company to apply asphalt, and than do i apply to coats of permabase, to make sure the room undernith the deck doesn't get water infriltration?

ANSWER - Exterior decks are very problematic if they are not installed correctly, particularly if there is occupied space underneath it.

There are several steps necessary to make sure your tile deck will perform as intended.  First, you need to make sure it is structurally sound to be able to take the weight and that it will not cause too much deflection.  Make sure it is IRC compliant by having a structural engineer inspect it.

Next you need to determine how the water will drain off the deck.  Will you install a drain or will you have it run off the edge into a gutter?

Next you need to create a pre-slope substrate by applying a concrete bed with a slope to drain.  Then you properly apply a roofing membrane such as hot mop asphalt coating or apply a sheet waterproof membrane.  Then you should apply a mortar bed over the membrane or there are membranes that you can bond the tile directly to it if it is appropriate to eliminate the top mortar bed.  If you apply the mortar bed then apply a secondary waterproof membrane over it of the type that allows you to bond the tile directly to the membrane.  Be sure to do at least a 48 hour water test to make sure it doesn't leak.

You mention Permabase which is a cementitious backer board.  it is possible to use a backer board rather than a mortar bed, but it would be difficult to achieve an adequate slope on its surface.

Make sure you have movement joints (expansion joints) placed within the tile assembly every 8 to 12 feet.  Make sure you have perimeter movement joints filled with a proper ASTM C920 sealant (caulking).  Make sure the tile is installed achieving 95% full thin-set contact between the tile and its substrate.

It is important to provide quality control inspections to make sure the installers follow industry standards and manufacturer's installation directions for each component of the installation.  If it is afordable you should hire a consultant like ourselves to write the installation specifications, provide a quality control plan, and to perform quality control inspections.  If it isn't affordable then go to our website at www.CTaSC.com to FAQ page under installations and print a copy of the Quality Control Installation Guidelines we provide at no charge as a industry community service.

Good luck.
 


Updated: May 4th 2010


Do I need Expansion Joints? and Crack Isolation Membranes? - I have an exterior patio on ground that is and has no expansion joints, and has several cracks. What is your recommendation for the cracks or the type of barrier to be applied.

ANSWER - Exterior tile applications should have expansion joints (movement joints) every 8 to 12 feet in all directs and be filled with a backer rod or tape and a C920 sealant (structural silicone or urethane).  If there are expansion joints in the patio concrete slab then they need to continue up through the tile.  If there are no expansion joints in the patio slab then the generic expansion joints should be placed within the tile assembly in an area where there is a grout joint, so it will not visually stand out.  The tiles cannot be butted up tightly to restraining surfaces (walls), but should have at movement joint at those transitions.

If the concrete patio substrate has cracks then first you have to determine if they are a structural crack (has lippage indicating it has moved vertically) or a shrinkage crack (only moves horizontally within the same plane).   If they are structural cracks then they have to be professionally repaired with epoxy and dowels.  If they are shrinkage cracks then you can apply a crack isolation membrane over the whole slab for full protection or apply it only over the cracks so it is centered over the crack bridging it the width of 3 tiles you are using (e.g. 12x12 inch tile would require a 36" application of the membrane to bridge the shrinkage cracks).  Most crack isolation membranes are also waterproof membranes so you will also get the benefit of creating a moisture barrier to minimize efflorescence and other potential moisture problems.  Be sure to follow the membrane manufacturers' limitations and installation guidelines to be sure it is appropriate for the application and will perform as intended.  Good Luck.
 


Updated: May 2nd 2010


What type of Tile should I use on my Patio? - I am a resident of South Florida and would like to tile my enclosed screened in patio. I have been reccommended to use porcelain tile but the choices are limited and have not found a suitable choice. I am re-considering using a texured ceramic tile and would like your recommendations. The patio at this time is not a high traffic area. How does a ceremic tile hold up to the high humidity and moisture?

ANSWER - Porcelain tile is considered one of the best tiles in terms of durability and resistance to moisture.  There are other types of ceramic tile that will perform well too, but you need to make sure that they are at least a vitreous body tile with a glazed tile surface that is at least rated as a 4 for wearability and that it has a slip resistant surface.

There are some types of stone that would work well too.

Once you determine you have the suitable tile in terms of wear, slip resistance and aesthetics, then it is critical that it is installed correctly to get the full performance and benefits from the tile installation.  There are lots of options to consider.  It it isn't practical to hire a consultant as CTaSC then go to our www.CTaSC.com website and listed under Resources and Links under installations there is a free document to help you understand the steps to ensure a successful installation. Good Luck,
 


Updated: May 2nd 2010


Vapor Barriers under Concrete Slab - We are undertaking a large tile project on Florida and need your advice. We are laying concrete in a large enclosed area by building up the heighth with dirt/sand, then compressing the soil,digging/building footers, spraying for termites, then laying ribar. Qs: Do we need a moisture barrier? Would the moisture barrier be applied after termite but before ribar? While the concrete will be inside we do intend to have non load bearing wall installed over part. will a 4" depth of concerete be sufficient? How long should be allow the concrete to cure before installing cermaic tile? Any pointers on ceramic tile installation? This project is on an Island so moisture IS an issue! Thanks!

ANSWER - Yes, you always need a vapor retarder (barrier) per ASTM E1643.  The vapor retarder should continue up the sides of the foundation to prevent lateral migration of moisture.  Sometimes a sand bed can be applied over the retarder and sometimes not depending on the situation.

The thickness of the concrete depends on the intended use and condition of the soil below it, but generally 4" thickness is ok for light traffic residential applications over a structurally sound landscape.

The general rule is to wait 28 days or curing before installing tile, but it depends on the recommendations of the installation products you will be using.

We do provide a complimentary copy of some general installation guidelines for owners to use to help make sure they get a successful tile installation.  Visit our website at www.CTaSC.com and go to the FAQ section and look under Installation of Ceramic Tile and Stone and select the first question.

As a consultant CTaSC does provide customized installation specifications and guidelines, and provides quality control services during the installation. Cost is based on the current CTaSC fee schedule.


Updated: March 25th 2010


Why use Sealant in Transition joints? - someone else mentioned that about sealing the transition joints, I'm just curious as to why is that important, if there is a vapour barrier behind the wall?

ANSWER - two reasons:
1. Transition joints are movement joints to allow expansion and contraction of the various materials.
2. Transition joints are normally areas where multiple products merge and they have a propensity to be defective in one way or the other and becomes the path to subsurface areas where collateral damages can occur from moisture migration.
 


Updated: February 11th 2010


Exterior Deck Tile Installation - We recently added a 2nd story "veranda" and covered screened porch to our home.Roughly 300 sq ft is outside exposed to the elements. climate temperatures reach 0 degrees and we have ice and snow as well as 100 degrees in summer. Porcelain tile was used with the following specs:oefficient of Friction Durability Classification Glaze Hardness Water Absorption Shade Variation Break Strength Dry:0.65 Wet: 0.60 Class IV 8.0 Mohs <= 0.5% 4 - High 400 lbs. Average 1 layer of rubber type waterproofing was applied over advantac( osb) subfloor. The area is 750 sq ft total. then backer boards were screwed in with screws every 18 inches. The tile was set with TEC prep triple flex says it meets ANSI A118-10 specifications. The grout is TEC Accucolor 650 premium sanded grout and a ANSI A118.6 specified product. The work was completed in 2 days and the grout applied on the 3rd day. Temperatures were in 90 and full sun. please advise if this was sufficient to last long term as an exterior application with constant heat and moisture.

ANSWER - Exterior decks are known for commonly being constructed incorrectly.  Generally when there is a problem it isn't due to any single deficiency, but rather due to compounding deficiencies.  It is not only whether the deck was properly designed and whether you used the correct products, but were the products installed correctly.

First using OSB is not recommended.  It is not a stable substrate when it gets wet and can lead to problems.  If it is properly protected from moisture then it could work as long as the structure is structurally sound and doesn't have too much deflection.  Plus the surface of the OSB should have been sloped towards where the water is to drain.

The backer board is suppose to be screwed every 8 inches.  The sheets should have been staggered to each other.  The joints of the sheets should have been gapped filled and taped.  The lack of proper fastening could lead to excessive movement and resultant damages.

Having the tile set with TEC Triple Flex adhesive that could also be a moisture membrane is good to add more protection.  The question is if there is an adequate slope to drain on the surface of the tile to a drain or to a gutter along the edge to allow for proper drainage.

Only time will tell if it was constructed well enough to last without problems.  Good luck.

 


Updated: February 11th 2010


Installing Porcelain Tile with Mastic - I came across your website and hope that you might be able to provide some advice, or point me in the right direction to get some. I'm renovating a small bathroom (two walls exterior facing). I spent the weekend applying porcelain floor tiles to the walls and tub surround (using proper tile backerboard - 1/2 inch)... the tiles are 12" x 12" and 16" x 16" inch - floor tile. I used mastic instead of mortar for the job, and I'm having serious second thoughts. My concern is that: a) the mastic may not be strong enough to support the weight. While installing, I used a couple of nails to support each tile. I'm thinking of leaving them in place and grouting them right in. The other concern is that moisture in the tub surround area may eventually cause the mastic to emulsify and release prematurely. I read a bit about this on various forums, and see conflicting reports about the suitability of mastic to wet areas - and or heavy tiles - I used a 1/4" x 1/4" notched trowel. Got very good adhesion while setting the tiles... but I'm worried. The grout will be 3/16"... will that grout transmit some moisture to the back of those tiles, and would that or any condensation on the back of the tiles caused by a hot shower on a cold day cause the mastic to emulsify and eventually release? hope you can provide some insight here, and keeping my fingers crossed that you'll say it should be fine. Thanks in advance for any wisdom you may provide.

ANSWER - Organic mastic is not considered a long lasting product, and depending on the type of mastic you used (type 1 versus type 2, and the quality of the product) it can be moisture or alkaline sensitive and deteriorate over time, or become brittle over time.

Mastic can last many years under the right conditions if it is a good quality mastic.  You apparently used a mastic that was not non-sag.  Some mastics are designed to keep larger tiles from sliding down the wall during the installation.  Whether you used the type 2 mastic for prolong moisture exposure or not, you will have to look at the product data sheet or container label.

Since you used in on walls and the closest area to water is the tub surround, then as long as it is well attached to the wall and water is kept from it, it should be ok.  Mastic is water resistant to initial contact, but if subjected to prolong exposure it can deteriorate depending on the type. 

Make sure the transition joints within the tile (inside wall joints) and where it butts into the tub are filled with a caulking rated as meeting ASTM C920 which is a pure silicone or urethane sealant, and not a latex or acrylic caulk.  Good luck.
 


Updated: February 11th 2010


Tile Lippage (one edge higher than the other) - i am building a new home they have laided the tile down and it looks likse some of the tiles are not flat with the neighboring tile. Is there a standard amount of error allowed. to me it should all be perfect level. when you walk on it barefooted you can feel the uneveness in the tiles... thanks for you help.

ANSWER - Tile lippage is when one tile adjacent to another is higher or lower exposing the edge to some degree.  There are quantitative lippage maximums in tile, but you have to take into consideration the type of tile it is being applied to.  For stone the maximum lippage is 1/32" in a precisely gauged tile.  Although it is subjective when applied to more irregular stones like slate and sandstone.  If the stone is irregular then reasonable lippage could be as high as 1/4". 

Ceramic Tile, which porcelain tile is a type of ceramic tile, has maximum lippage of 1/32" to 1/16" plus the amount of allowable warpage in that type of tile, which then depends on the width of the grout joint and the type of the tile.  There are some types of tile that are so irregular that it doesn't apply to them. 

Lippage can be affected by a substrate not being properly prepared so it is flat.  It can also be perceived as excessive lippage if seen in the type of lighting conditions that accentuate lippage due to shadows. 

A well gauged tile manufactured within standards on a properly prepared substrate should not have lippage that can easily be felt.  This is a complex condition that may require a well experienced investigator as from our company to be able to properly evaluate the situation.  Good Luck.
 


Updated: September 21st 2009


Warped Travertine Stone Tiles - I am doing a travertine job for a lady and they stored the 12 x 12 pieces under the house (on stilts) for over a year. The tile was on a pallet but the pallet was warped and sitting on a slope. Could this cause the travertine to warp?

ANSWER - To answer your question, I think if you have found the travertine tiles to be warped that it is likely due to the way they were stored under the house for over a year.  Chances are that the warping is due both to it being placed on a surface that was warped and not fully supporting the tiles, and because it was subjected to moisture.  As the travertine tile absorbs moisture on one side and dries from one side it would be expected that the disproportionate conditions would result in the stone warping to some degree. 

I don't know if it will work or not, but you could try soaking the stones in water to see if they will straighten out.  In Europe the installers soak their moisture sensitive stones in water prior to setting so the stone is fully saturated and will expand evenly.  Then they install the tiles damp, but not with a wet surface, over the concrete substrate.  Then once the thin-set cures it restrains the tile from moving as it dries, as long as it is being bonded to a concrete surface and not an elastomeric membrane that will not fully restrain the tile from moving.

 


Updated: August 20th 2009


Bolting Table to Tile - I have a ceramic tile floor in my kitchen. I am having a booth built to replace the kitchen table. The table leg must be securred to the floor with screws or bolts, as the base of the leg will be concealed under the seating part of the bench. I'll be drilling through the sub floor as well, and the bolts will go down through the floor and sub floor and into the basement. There, nuts will be used to tighten down the bolts to really keep the table leg from moving at all. Surely, the ceramic tiles are going to crack when I tighten the bolts down. My question is, should I: (1) put a steel plate over top of the ceramic tile and drill through that, because if the tiles break up the steel plate will still hold everything in place, or: (2) remove ceramic tiles that would have to be drilled through, and replace them with another material of the same thickness that wouldn't break or crack? I search for ceramic tile experts and came to your site. If one of the experts has any thoughts on this and can offer any suggestions, I would be extremely grateful.

ANSWER - First, I wonder why it is necessary to attach the table legs that securely to the floor.  I wouldn't expect that it would be subjected to that much stress to require it.

If it is necessary to fasten that way, then I would install the table first then cut the tiles around the legs.  Or if the tile is already there then use a hole saw to cut out a section. where the legs go.  Then use a silicone sealant to caulk around the 1/8" wide gap to allow for movement.

If it isn't necessary to fasten the legs through the floor then you could drill holes through the tile and insert an anchor shield sleeve and screw into it.  Or if you want to leave the tile undamaged, in case the table is removed later, then use a structural (pure) silicone sealant meeting ASTM C920 and bond the legs of the table to the tile floor.  Make sure both surfaces are cleaned properly before applying the silicone.  Silicone bonds tenaciously, allows for some movement, and is relatively easy to remove or repair if necessary. Good Luck.
 


Updated: August 17th 2009


Adhesive and Grout for Underwater - Is there a waterproof grout and adhesive? One that could be underwater such as in a birdbath?

ANSWER - First of all they only way to truly waterproof a tile installation is to use waterproof membrane.  

I think your question is whether or not there are grouts and adhesives suitable for being submerged in water as in the case of a bird bath.

Many cementitious dry set thin-set mortars and grouts are suitable for use under water.  You do need to let them cure for at least 14 days before you submerge them.  There are epoxy adhesives and grouts that might not require as long of curing.  When you buy the thin-set dry set mortar make sure it is recommended for that use.  The latex or polymer modified versions will normally provide better performance.  Make sure the substrate to which you are bonding the tile to is properly prepared.  Good luck.
 


Updated: July 10th 2009


Installing an Exterior Deck - I'm installing tile on 3/4" plywood subflooring (interior grade and cannot be changed)on an exterior, covered balcony over occupied interior space. Rain may blow in onto the tile. Any recommendations for the layers and waterproofing? I planned to install sloped cement, then EDPM pond liner, then 1/2" cement board painted with Red Guard, and then the tile with drains.

ANSWER - I'm not sure where you are starting on this project if the interior plywood is already installed, but I will give you some key steps and options.

First the structure needs to be structurally sound and not have any deflection more than L/360 for ceramic tile aor L/720 for stone.

Next the two part drains with weep holes need to be installed, so the weep holes will be located at the waterproof membrane level.  Or you can drain off the side of the deck into a gutter system.

If possible I would paint the interior plywood with a liquid applied breathable waterproof membrane like the Red Guard from one of the tile installation product manufacturers you can find on our website.  

Apply the pre-sloped concrete so there is a 1/4" per foot slope to drain.  I would put a hotmop roofing application over the concrete for your primary waterproof membrane.  You can use a sheet membrane liner like the pond liner, but there may be less expensive shower pan liners you can use too.  No penetrations into membrane and properly weld all seams.

Unless you have perimeter drains with a uniform slope the cement backer board won't accommodate the slope of the deck.  It would be better to install a 1-1/4" thick dry-packed wire reinforced mortar bed.  Be sure to protect the weep holes with gravel so they don't get plugged with mortar. I would apply the liquid applied waterproof membrane over the mortar bed as a secondary membrane.

Be sure to achieve full thin-set contact and no voids under tile.

Be sure to install movement joints at the perimeter of the tile work, transitions and every 8 to 12 feet using an ASTM C920 sealant such as a structural silicone or a urethane.

Good luck!
 


Updated: May 27th 2009


Replacing Existing Tile over Mortar Bed - I have porcelain tile in my kitchen, installed by previous owners. Cabinets, fridge, stove, etc, are on top of the tile. The tile is white, picks up all dirt, food, etc and I want to replace. Contractors I've talked to are worried about how to remove it; if it was laid with a 'wet bed" and whether they can safely and professionally remove the tile and lay somethign else down. I can't lay new flooring on top, because it would be too high. I thought this would be a common problem, but apparently, it's not. do you have any suggestions? I live outside of Philadelphia. Thanks--I could really use a professional opinion.

ANSWER - It sounds odd that the installers are saying they are worried about removing the old tile. If it was installed in a wet-set method where they installed the tile over the freshly installed cement mortar bed then I would expect some of the mortar bed to break loose as the tiles are removed, but there is a chance that some of the tiles will come loose without excessive damage to the mortar bed. The tiles should be removed by chiseling laterally to shear them off the surface of the mortar bed. This should not be a problem if the installers are skilled at installing and removing mortar bed installations. After the tile is removed the mortar bed surface needs to be scarified and then any holes or divots in the mortar bed have to be filled with a proper patch material. There is a Installatin Guidelines document you can download from our website by clicking here: Tile Installation Guidelines.

 


Updated: May 5th 2009


Installing Tile over Epoxy Floor - Can ceranmic tile be laid on an epoxy floor? If so, does any special prep need to be done?

ANSWER - In theory a ceramic or stone tile could be installed over an epoxy floor, but it could be problematic depending on the conditions.

The substrate must be suitable and sound for the application.  The epoxy coating has to be tenaciously attached to the substrate because if it debones so does the tile.  The floor must be flat or sloped for the intended use or any inconsistencies will be telegraphed through the tile. 

You have to use epoxy to bond to epoxy.  So an appropriate epoxy adhesive must be used, which is more expensive. Each of the major manufacturer's of installation products sell epoxy adhesives (go to our website at www.CTaSC.com and look under resources and links and go to Installation products)  The epoxy floor has to be prepared by cleaning it and possibly needing to scarify it in order to get a good attachment.  Follow epoxy adhesive manufacturer's instructions.

It is possible to apply an modified cementitious epoxy adhesive to the existing epoxy floor and then apply a cementitious self-leveling or trowelable underlayment on top of it, and then bond the tile to it with a normal modified thin-set mortar.  Good Luck,
 


Updated: April 8th 2009


Installing Porcelain Tile over Painted Concrete - I would like to place porcelain tile over a painted concrete slab. How should I do this?

ANSWER - It is possible to bond porcelain tile to a painted surface, but it isn't recommended because the overall tile attachment is limited to the strength of the bond of the paint to the concrete.  If the paint comes loose, so does the tile.  You should either strip or bead blast the concrete and thoroughly clean it.  Water should readily absorb in the concrete as an indication that it is suitable for bonding the tile to it.  

If you choose to try to bond the tile to the paint, then you need determine what type of paint it is.  An epoxy based paint requires an epoxy adhesive to bond to it.  A latex based thin-set adhesive should be used over the latex based paint.  Only use epoxy and latex thin-set products that state they can be used for bonding tile to paint.  The painted surface has to be cleaned properly to ensure an adequate bond.  If the paint is not well attached then as the thin-set adhesive dries and shrinks, it might pull the paint loose.  Beware!!!!  Gook Luck!
 


Updated: March 28th 2009


Can you install tile over Wood - I am an art teacher and we want to make a tile,ceramic sign. Can tiles be adhered to plywood for a sign? I can't find the answer anywhere on the web. We are handmaking our sign with a slab roller.

ANSWER - Tile can be adhered to exterior glue plywood if it is for an interior application that will not be near moisture.  Other types of plywood, OSB, Particle Board, and etc. are considered too unstable to apply ceramic tile to.  Wood tends to swell when it gets wet and will warp as it dries that leads to damages.

It would be better to attach the tile to a cementitious backer board or other type of tile backer board suitable for exterior or interior wet areas such as a shower. 

You indicated that you are handmaking the sign with a clay slab roller to form your tiles.  If this sign is for exterior use you want to be sure the clay is dense enough to be freeze thaw stable.  Rule-of-thumb, 3% and less absorption in ceramic tile is considered freeze thaw stable, although it has to be verified by performing a ASTM freeze thaw test.

If you use the exterior glue plywood for an interior sign, then use a polymer modified dry set thin-set cementitious mortar that meets ANSI A118.11 designed for exterior glue plywood.

For the cementitious backer board you should use a polymer modified dry set thin-set cementitious mortar that meets ANSI A118.4. 

Good Luck with your sign,


Updated: February 21st 2009


Tile over Tile Installation - Can I install new ceramic floor tiles over the exhisting ceramic tile floor in my kitchen? Does the old floor have to be prepared in any way? What type of morter/bonding agent should I use? The reason for the new installation: quite a few tiles have cracked over the years and we would like to update the look of the floor. The cracks are thin hairline cracks due to the home being over 100 years old and the foundation being uneven, a contractor tried to "jack up" the home after the tile was originally installed causing some minor cracks.

ANSWER - There is a lot to installing a tile correctly so I can only briefly answer your questions and give you references.

You can install ceramic tile over properly prepared existing ceramic tile if you use an appropriate thin-set adhesive recommended for that application.  Go to our website Resources and Links section and go to installation product manufacturers to determine which products you can use. /Resources_and_Links/Installation_Products/.

Keep in mind that the new tile will only be installed as well as the existing tile.  If the existing tile is not attached well then the new tile will not be well attached.

Tiles are not suppose to crack so it is either an indication they were not installed correctly or there are cracks telegraphing up from the substrate.  Those conditions needs to be repaired first.   In some applications you can use a crack isolation membrane but that would require that you remove the existing tile.

Our FAQ section on our website has more information on tile over tile installations that you can review.  To get some guidelines on how tile installations should be installed go to our website under FAQ Ceramic Tile and Stone Installations and go to question/answer #46 to download an installation guideline (/FAQs/Installation/#FAQ_10106). 

Good Luck!


Updated: October 18th 2008


Mortar Bed Compressive Strength - An architect has requested that the mortar bed be at least 4000 PSI compressive strength. Do you know on average what a typical TCA F-111 would be with standard raw sand and cement? Any information will be appreciated.

ANSWER - Laticrete 226/3701 and Mapei Mapicem are mortars the say they can achieve 5,000 psi compressive strength or greater.  Note that the reported values are based on laboratory results, not field testing.  Field testing is always lower.  You will want to point that out to the architect in advance. 

ANSI doesn't have any compressive strength standards for mortar beds.  A118.7 modified grout has a 3,000 psi compressive strength. 

I'm not sure of exactly what the compressive strength would be for a typical mortar.  I would guess that a regular mortar bed should get over 2,000 psi if compressed correctly depending on the cement to sand to water ratio.

The redimix concrete trucks can create a design mix at a certain value by using more cement and less water to reach higher strengths.

There are several key factors in achieving a high compressive strength.  Higher cement content adds more strength but don't go higher than a 1:3 mix of cement to sand.  The less water you use will achieve a higher strength down to a 25% moisture content, which wouldn't be a workable mix.  That is why a properly mixed dry pack mortar bed will give you more strength, which is the type referred to in ANSI as implied by requiring tamping the mortar bed to compress it.   I think the most important part is properly compressing the dry back mortar to achieve high compressive strength. 

A large project had a problem with this because the installers where not compacting the mortar.  They were simply dropping the stones on the inconsistent volume of mortar and not fully beating in the stones.  They were using a 5,000 psi mortar, but because they didn't fully compress the mortar bed they were getting 1200 psi values from samples taken from the job.

What I normally do on our jobs is either have the installers pre-float and make sure the dry pack is well compressed, or when installing individual large format tiles one at a time wet set, we have the installer dry beat the tile into the fresh dry pack mortar to compress it and make sure it is in full contact.  Once the mortar is fully compressed and at the right height to adjacent tiles then butter the backs of the tiles and beat the tiles in.  This method gives a very dense and strong mortar bed.

Hope that helps.


Updated: September 24th 2008


Trim - I have 1/2" travertine in 8" x8" being installed on bathroom walls. Could you please let me know if there is anything else besides quarter round for the exposed edges (I have 1/2" scratch and brown coat on walls, I need something that will make up at least 1" thickness from the wall).
What I prefer to do in filling in that edge of the installation to cover up the mortar bed behind is to cut strips of the tile and place in there creating a 90 degree edge. With a tight joint it looks like one sold piece from a distance. Good Luck!

 


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Silicone Adhesive for Marble - I was curious about using silicone to attach marble in a shower installation?
100% Silicone sealants can bond extremely well. It could bond the stone to the shower substrate and you would only need about 10% coverage to get an adequate attachment, but the problem would be you would have a lot of voids in the back of the stone that could lead to moisture problems. It would be best to use a good quality polymer or latex modified thin-set and then caulk all of the transition areas with the silicone sealant. Of course the shower needs to be waterproof with the proper wall and floor membranes and proper flashing.  Good Luck!

 


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Substrate and Movement Joints - I'm installing 18"x18" tile to a very large area of floor, the floor starts over a heated basement,continues over a unheated crawl space and finishes over a concrete slab. what would the correct method in installing this tile over different areas, would i need to install expansion joints, if so, what type?

If I understand your question, you are saying that you are installing 18x18 ceramic tiles over 3 floor areas.  I assume one is a concrete slab, and the other two are wood sub-floors with one of the lower areas heated and one not.

 

First keep in mind that expansion joints (movement joints) should be placed in the floor around all perimeters, transition of planes, every 24 feet in the floor areas in both directions, and continued up from any existing joints in the slab.

 

Second keep in mind that the floor can not exceed a deflection of L/360 for ceramic tile and :/720 for natural stone.

 

I would treat the 3 areas as three separate installations separated by full movement joints down to the sub-floor.  You can build up each floor to be level with each other or you can step down or up.  The ideal system is a full wire reinforced mortar bed that gives you best system and most flexibility other than if there are height limitations.  Next best is to apply a cementitious backer unit, an uncoupling system or self-leveling underlayment to flatten the surfaces and give a good surface to bond to.

 

Movement joints should continue up from slab joints and be filled with a backer-rod and an appropriate sealant with a shore hardness of 35 or greater.

 

Good Luck!


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Stone Installation subfloor - For a travertine install, I have 5/8 subfloor existing (square edge)and plan on using 3/4 u/l. AC fir grade is very expensive, cdx fir square edge in the middle and 3/4 tongue and groove is still $30. a sheet. If I use a crack suppression membrane like "Detra", which u/l should I use for the project?

Regarding your question about a travertine installation first let me qualify by saying:

 

1.  Marble Institute of American standards say your floor can have no more deflection than L/720.  You need to make sure your structural engineer verifies your floor meets that requirement.

 

2.  It sounds like you intend to avoid using a mortar bed installation.  You must realize that any other method will not allow you to fully compensate for the irregularities of the floor and achieve a completely flat or sloped surface that will lead to other tradeoffs in the finish surface.

 

3.  You could apply an anti-fracture membrane but that gives you no additional structural integrity nor will it compensate for too much deflection.  The Schluter Ditra Mat is more than just an anti-fracture membrane; it also provides a cementitious underlayment.  If you use that product I suggest you contact Schluter and ask what type of exterior grade plywood they recommend you use over your existing subfloor.  You might be able to use a thinner sheet of plywood depending on spacing of your joists.

 

Good Luck!


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Outdoor Counter Top Re-Installation - I have an outdoor counter topped with 6x6 ceramic tiles, but the installer failed to ensure that the wood was properly protected. After five years, the plywood underlayment has rotted. I have been able to remove most of the now unmatchable tile, but it still has the mastic and the "wonderboard" adhering to it. What is the best method for removing this backing so that I may reconstruct the counter?

I would not try to save the wood underneath the cementitious backer board.  The fact that moisture reached the wood either through the top, sides or underneath is the reason it failed, so it isn't suitable for reuse.

 

Assuming you want to do a similar installation as the old installation (always best to do a full mortar bed installation), I would remove the existing wood top, and then start by placing a 15 lb building paper down first with 3/4" exterior grade plywood on top, assuming the underneath and sides are protected from coming into direct contact with moisture.  Then use the appropriate multipurpose thin-set and screws for attaching the new cement backerboard (CBB) to the wood.  Then waterproof the CBB and edges of the wood with one of the appropriate liquid applied or trowel applied waterproof membranes meeting ANSI A118.10 for ceramic tile.  Then thin-set your tile directly to the waterproof membrane, and grout.

 

Good Luck!


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Floor Warming - IS THERE A WAY OF HEATING A BATHROOM TILE FLOOR FROM THE BASEMENT BELOW. IS THERE SOME PRODUCT THAT CAN BE ATTACHED TO THE SUBFLOOR BETWEEN THE JOISTS IN THE BASEMENT?

You could probably install some type of heating device on the bottom of the wood subfloor between your joists, but I wouldn't expect it would be very effective.  Wood is not a good conductor of heat for transferring it up to the bathroom floor surface, and you would have to insulate it to keep the heat from transferring elsewhere.  Plus it could be a safety hazard.

 

Best option is to remove the existing bathroom floor finish and install a floor warming system and then install ceramic tile or stone on top of that.  For more information on the floor warming systems go to the Resources and Links section of our website.


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Installing Tile in Spa or Swimming Pool - I am in the process of installing new tile in the spa. some of the tile will be in water, the bottom of the spa is plaster. I have consulted with employees at several stores with a very conflicting amount of installing information and products to use. I would like the job done right the first time! I have installed tile on floors but this has to be water proof. The spa is in the down stairs bath, in the ground, with plaster. I have removed the tile and it looks like a gray thin set was used. It was attached to wood and cement. The old tile lasted 15 years but the grouting and some of the tile came loose. I wanted the new tile so I tackled the job. What kind of thin set and grouting should I use. My new tile is in sheets. What color grouting and does this come in mixed or do I mix with a special glue used for grouting and thin set?
I will assume the spa surface will be a plaster material.  You mentioned something about wood, but never install directly over wood in a wet area.  Whether you are tiling the whole spa or just at the water line, I would recommend applying a liquid waterproof membrane first over the properly prepared clean and sound plaster surface.  Laticrete has one called 9235 Waterproof membrane and Custom has one called Red Guard and there are others.  Go to
references and links to installation products for their website links. 

The membrane will provide some protection against efflorescence (leaching of salts and plasticizers from the plaster on to the surface of the tile) and shrinkage cracking. Then use a polymer modified (multipurpose) or latex modified thin-set that is recommended for swimming pools to adhere the tile to the membrane. Read the bags or data sheets to be sure, but most good quality products will work under water, although some won't!.  Use white thin-set if you are using white grout, so the thin-set doesn't show through the grout.  You can use polymer or latex modified grout, which will work fine, but for maximum protection use an epoxy grout.  Epoxy grout is more difficult to use and more expensive. 

Be sure to follow the instructions from the manufacture of each product you use!!! 

Good Luck!
Updated: September 23rd 2008


Ceramic Tile Suitable Substrate - I am a mosaic artist and I would like to know what surfaces tile can adhere to and when I need and don't need to use cement board. For example can tile adhere to surfaces such as glass, drywall, or particle wood without the use of a cement board?
Ceramic tile can be adhered to anything with limitations.

You can adhere to glass, metal, wood, drywall, fiberglass, etc. with limitations.

The substrate material has to be structurally stable and can't have any deflection more than L/360, so it has to be sturdy.

There are limitations for wet areas (showers, pools, etc.) and exterior areas. You can bond tile to particle board as long as it never gets exposed to moisture and remains dry and stable. You can't use drywall exterior.

There can me thermo expansion issues if the substrate thermo expansion differs substantially from the ceramic tile, particular for exterior areas or areas around fireplaces, barbeques, and etc, or in extreme climatic conditions.  There needs to be movement joints designed into the installation.

You have to use the appropriate adhesive with each substrate. For instance, you should use 100% silicon or epoxy over metal or glass. Of course there can not be any contaminates on the substrates and they need to be suitable for adhesion.

It is always best to adhere ceramic tile to a structurally sound and properly prepared concrete substrate.

In summary, consider the application to determine which substrates are suitable, then find out which adhesive is suitable to bond the ceramic tile to the type of material, and make sure the substrate is sturdy and properly prepared for adhesion.

Good Luck!


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Ceramic tile over an existing ceramic tile installation - Can kitchen counter tile be installed over the existing counter without having to rip it out first?

Yes, you can install new ceramic tile over an existing ceramic tile counter top, but with limitations. First, the existing ceramic tile must be installed well and structurally sound. If the old tile comes loose, then whatever is attached to it will come loose. Second, the existing ceramic must be installed with trim shapes that allow you to adhere adequately to it. If it had a v-cap at the edge, you would have to remove it first. Third, the existing ceramic tile has to be scarified so that all contaminates are removed and it is give a good surface to adhere to. Fourth, use a high-strength modified thin-set that is recommended for this application by its manufacturer. Good Luck!

 


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Installing Stair Trim - I have bought some tiles to finish an external concrete staircase. The tiles come with a separate bullnose edge. The treads and risers will be laid using cement/sand mix. What is your opinion regarding the method of installation of the bullnose. Should I fix the bullnose to the horizontal tile (tread) using some adhesive and then lay them together once they're bonded? In this case, what adhesive should I use? Is an epoxy adhesive appropriate?
I'm not sure I fully understand your question, but I'll try to answer it.

The ceramic tile bullnose trim accessory for ceramic tile allows you to make a pleasing transition from one plane to the other. In this case, from the stair tread to the riser. The bullnose is normally attached to the horizontal surface on the tread edge (not on top of other ceramic tile, but in place of the tile), so the top edge of the tile on the riser is overlapped and covered by the top bullnose piece. This will make it less susceptible to chipping rather than have the bullnose on the riser coming up covering the edge of the tile on the tread.

The adhesive you use to attach the bullnose to the concrete surface is the same that you would use to attach the regular filed ceramic tile, which is normally a modified thin-set adhesive, but you can use epoxy for a stronger attachment. Make sure that your transitional joints are filled with a 100% silicone or a urethane sealant rather than with cement grout to all movement from one plane to the other, without causing cracking. Good Luck!


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Sealing Tile - I installed a porous ceramic tile on a counter. I have sealed it with a 20 year teflon sealer. The tile is not glossy at all and I would like to have some shine on it. What can I use. I tested some polyurathane on some of the leftover tile and it was fine, but I don't want to do that on the counter unless I know that it is okay. Help!....Please
Regarding your porous ceramic tile that you installed on your kitchen counter top, I assume it is an unglazed/through body tile.

 

The sealers that are specifically designed for ceramic tile and stone are normally provided in two categories. One is a breathable penetrating sealer that tends to not change the appearance of the tile and the other is a non-breathable surface sealer that tends to give you a glossy look.

The surface sealers are non-breathable and if moisture gets trapped in the tile under the sealer it could cause a cloudy discoloring. Some of the surface sealers tend to show wear patterns. The penetrating sealers allow moisture in a vapor stage to pass through. They do have some color enhancing versions that will give you somewhat of a glossy look.

The sealers you are referencing are normally used to seal other types of products, and they would have to be qualified to see if they are suitable or not for a ceramic tile application. Make sure they are recommended for food preparation areas.

Chances are that you will have to strip off your Teflon sealer before you can apply another, unless you can find a compatible sealer that will allow you to go over the top of it. For more information on sealers go to the cleaners and sealers section of our website's resource and links section at Cleaners and Sealers. Good Luck!


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Installing in a Basement - I want to install either ceramic tile or stone on a new basement floor I am having installed right now. What do I need to do to prepare for that installation?

Hopefully your installers placed a vapor barrier under your basement slab before they poured it, to control the flow of moisture.  Plus, after the installation, you should make sure you have adequate air cirulation and ventilation in the basement to avoid high moisture levels that can lead to mold.

After the slab has cured for at least 28 days (with good ventilation) then you can start your ceramic tile or stone installation.  It is recommended that you install a waterproof membrane over the slab and then install the tile on top of it, if you are not going to install a mortar bed on top of the slab first.  If you are going to install a wire reinforced mortar bed over the slab, a better and more expensive way to go, then a 15 lb roofing felt or 4 mil polyethylene film should be placed on the slab first as a cleavage membrane and for moisture protection.

For the liquid applied waterproof membranes that are specifically made to have tile attached to it go see the companies listed on my website.  Many of those companies supply all the products you would need to install your tile.

Good Luck!


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Adhering Tile to Ceiling - I'm putting up 6x8 tiles on a ceiling in my shower. They won't stay up long enough for the cement to dry. Is there a special cement, or how can we do it?
Normally the light weight 6x8 type ceramic bodied tiles stay up with a good tacky non-sag thin-set or mastic. Depends on what type of substrate you are going over. If the substrate is concrete, which it should be for the best installation, then you can use a good quality polymer modified thin-set (also know as multi-purpose thin-set); preferably a non-sag thin-set. If you are going over green board or other non-cement backer boards you can use a non-sag mastic adhesive. There is an epoxy that Laticrete makes called Latapoxy 310 and it definitely will hold the tile in place and sets up fast, but it is more expensive and more difficult to work with. You can go to the Installation Products section under
Resources and Links section of our website at Installation Products to located these products from the various manufacturers. Good Luck!

 


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Sealing Tile - I installed a porous ceramic tile on a counter. I have sealed it with a 20 year teflon sealer. The tile is not glossy at all and I would like to have some shine on it. What can I use. I tested some polyurathane on some of the leftover tile and it was fine, but I don't want to do that on the counter unless I know that it is okay. Help!....Please

Regarding your porous ceramic tile that you installed on your kitchen counter top, I assume it is an unglazed/through body tile.

The sealers that are specifically designed for ceramic tile and stone are normally provided in two categories. One is a breathable penetrating sealer that tends to not change the appearance of the tile and the other is a non-breathable surface sealer that tends to give you a glossy look.

The surface sealers are non-breathable and if moisture gets trapped in the tile under the sealer it could cause a cloudy discoloring. Some of the surface sealers tend to show wear patterns. The penetrating sealers allow moisture in a vapor stage to pass through. They do have some color enhancing versions that will give you somewhat of a glossy look.

The sealers you are referencing are normally used to seal other types of products, and they would have to be qualified to see if they are suitable or not for a ceramic tile application. Make sure they are recommended for food preparation areas.

Chances are that you will have to strip off your Teflon sealer before you can apply another, unless you can find a compatible sealer that will allow you to go over the top of it. For more information on sealers go to the cleaners and sealers section of our website's resource and links section at Cleaners and Sealers.Good Luck!


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Exterior Chimney - Do you have any information on tiling the exterior of a stucco chimney? Below freezing in winter. Thanks
There is no specific info on tiling over exterior stucco that I'm aware of, although it can be done if the stucco is, in fact, a concrete product and structurally stable.

If the stucco is structurally stable, clean and free of contaminates the tile/stone can be adhered with a modified thin-set adhesive or an epoxy adhesive. Depends on what kind of tile it is and on the type and condition of the stucco.

Laticrete International (www.laticrete.com) has an epoxy adhesive called Latapoxy 310 and a selection of different thin-sets, so you may consider contacting them for their recommendations.   Good Luck!


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Exterior Deck - Is it possible to adhere ceramic tiles to a waterproofing membrane over a concrete roof structure, over interior space in a climate such as Seattle?
Ceramic tile can be adhered directly to certain types of waterproof membranes, which are designed for ceramic tile or stone. 

A roof that has a concrete substrate, over interior occupied space, can have ceramic tile or stone installed on top of it. First, the ceramic tile or stone needs to be frost proof (less than 3% absorption) for freeze thaw climatic conditions. The concrete substrate needs to have a deflection of less than L/360 for tile and L/720 for stone, and the substrate must be sloped to a drain within the deck areas or sloped to the roof edge to drain into a rain gutter. A primary waterproof membrane needs to be applied on the concrete substrate and if necessary a mortar bed is installed on top of that. Then you can adhere the tile.

Good Luck!


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Layout - My husband is having trouble with the layout/cuts in the ceramic tile for our tub/shower area. There is an un-centered window in the primary wall. He keeps saying "no matter how I figure it, I still end up with 1/2" gap at the top of wall". Is there any way you can tell him what he's doing wrong? Thanks SOOO MUCH!
I don't think your husband is doing anything wrong, but rather he needs some ideas on how to adjust for the spacing.

1. If you don't mind a larger grout joint, you can space the grout joint wider.

2. You can add in an additional liner or accent that is 1/2" wide.

3. You can turn the tile at an angle and do like a herring bone pattern.

4. You can lay out the tile so there is an equal size and symmetrical cut at the top and bottom that match.

5. You could put a molding at the ceiling that will cover and overlap the 1/2" gap.

6. You could put a 1/2" sheet of cement backerboard on the ceiling and then tile over it.

Hope these ideas help some.     Good Luck!


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Floor Preparation - Under the wall to wall carpeting that is there now, the floor is made of three materials. About 4 feet of it is old original 1/2 inch tiles and a large area that is cement (which was used to fill in large gaps of missing tile). What should I do?
As far as your floor preparation, when you are installing tile or stone over different substrates there is a potential problem that the differential movements within each substrate could cause cracking. The best method is to put a cleavage membrane (15lb felt paper) over the existing substrate and then install a wire reinforced mortar bed on top that will be a minimum of 1.25" thick. If you can't go that high, then you could clean, scarify and prime the floor and put a self leveling or trowel-able underlayment down. Then put an anti-fracture membrane on top of that, which you will then thin-set (glue) the tile to the membrane.

 


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Install over Paint - We will be installing ceramic tile on concrete floors in the future, but for now, we would like to paint the floors. Will this effect installation in the future?
There are adhesives that will allow you to adhere ceramic tile or stone to paint. The problem is that if the paint ever peals loose then the tile comes loose. You can remove the paint before you install the tile or there are thicker installation systems that allow you to encapsulate the paint. Good Luck!

 


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Can you install ceramic tile over wood?

It is never recommended to install directly to any type of wood, but it is done and there are products available for installing to exterior grade plywood.

Of course you never install over plywood on an exterior application or in any type of a wet area.

The main problem is this: if wood gets wet it expands and warps, which will cause tile failure.  Concrete is the best surface with which to bond ceramic tile or stone.  If you can't do the best mortar bed method then the next best thing to do is install over a cement backer board.  If all else fails, then bond to wood, but make sure you do it properly.

If you do install over wood make sure the floor has no more of a deflection than L/360 for ceramic tile.  It is recommended to have two layers of 5/8" plywood on joists spaced at 16" on center.  You can use a modified epoxy for adhering the tile to the wood or a Latex or Polymer Modified thin-set that is recommended for bonding to wood.  Go to the page on this web site for installation products. There are some very flexible latex modified thin-sets that are good for bonding to wood.


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Cutting Tile Curve - I would appreciate some advise on the best method or tools to use to cut a large curve around a bathtub. I am planning to use 12" x 12" ceramic tiles. I would like to install them without moulding. All of the tile saws I have are straight line cutters. What can I buy rent to cut a curve from a template?

There are several options you have for cutting a curve in a stone.  Some will set up a template to give the kind of radius you need and then cut each tile on the wet saw to fit that respect section of the template.  With experience you can mark your stone and cut a curve by slowing turning it as you cut.  Then you stone the edge to smooth it out. 

 

Some will install the stone first and let it fully set up, and then come back with a Makita grinder with a diamond 4" blade on it and cut it along the template.  Have to make sure it is well bonded before you start cutting the stone or you can vibrate it loose.

 

Either way if you have an exposed edge you need to polish it to make sure it looks acceptable.

 

For a perfect job you can go to a stone fabricator who has a waterjet and cut it in the shop, if you provide them shop drawings or a template.  Remember garbage in = garbage out, so measure twice and cut once.  The fabricator could then polish the edges in the shop to get the best affect.

 

Of course, nothing like having the experience of doing it before to avoid the learning curve.

 

Good Luck!


Updated: September 23rd 2008


Installing ceramic tile on vinyl - My daughter recently bought a newly constructed spec home. She decided to have the vinly flooring changed to ceramic tile. She presumed the installers would take care of the prep and advise of any problems or challenges. She has found out that the tiles were layed on the existing flooring. Now her appliances will not fit. What other kinds of problems might she encounter as a result? Shouldn't the installers have pulled up the vinyl? Please advise all pros and cons and what she should do or insist on the having done.
There are pros and cons for installing ceramic tile over vinyl. This method is not uncommon, but it's always best to bond (adhere) ceramic tile directly to a good concrete subfloor. The bond of the ceramic tile is only as good as the bond of the vinyl to the subfloor; if the vinyl comes loose, so does everything else attached to it. If the vinyl is bonded well then it should last. The vinyl can be a benefit by acting as an antifracture membrane; meaning if cracks develop in the concrete subfloor they won't continue up through the tile. The vinyl can also act as a vapor barrier; meaning if there is moisture in the slab it can't travel through the tile possibly causing an efflorescent problem. On the other hand, if there is excessive moisture in the slab then the vinyl might lose its bond. The vinyl and its adhesive should add no more than 3/16" of height to the room and I wouldn't expect that to keep appliances from fitting. In fact, if they had removed the vinyl they might have had to prep the floor by adding an 1/8" or more of underlayment patch to flatten the floor, since floors are almost never flat enough. Hope that helps. Good Luck!
Updated: September 23rd 2008


Installing Ceramic Tile on a Counter Top - I'm planning to install glazed floor tile (12x12) over cement board for a counter top. Any issues with this? And I plan to have 1/8" joints. What grout type would you recommend? Thanks for the help.

ANSWER - No, there should be no issues with a counter top type of installation if installed correctly and per industry standards, such as:

a. This design or assembly can be found in the Tile Council of North Americas (TCNA)as the C513-07 detail, Wood Base – Backer Board
b. Make sure the cabinet and base is properly secured.  the wood substrate should be a  23/32 inch exterior glue plywood base and the base surface should be flat and level prior to installing the backer board
c. Follow the backer board manufactures installation instructions for kitchen countertops.
d. We would recommend applying an ANSI A118.10 liquid applied thin load bearing waterproofing membrane to the entire surface of the backer board, flashed or coved 3 inches up the back splash and all exposed edges of the plywood substrate and backer board. This will help protect from water damage and will help minimize minor stress cracking.
e. Use an ANSI A118.4 latex modified thinset to install the tile. Most manufactures of backer board and waterproofing member require this type of adhesive.
f. Let installed cure as per adhesive manufacture recommendation.
g. Properly apply and wash grout. Remove any grout in your movement or expansion joints and let grout cure.
h. Design perimeter or surface change of plane movement joints with the appropriate ASTM C920 sealant.


Typically 1/8th inch wide grout is the changing point for switching from a non-sanded cement grout (rule of thumb: 1/8th inch or less wide joint) to a sanded cement grout (rule of thumb 1/8th inch or wider grout joint. I would recommend a sanded cement grout, as long as it does not scratch your tile or stone. The sanded cement grout is more durable and would be less prone to having shrinkage cracks. If you want a grout that you do not have to seal and are less prone to staining and easy to clean, try a ANSI A 118.3 Chemical Resistant, Water Cleanable Epoxy Grout. It cost a little more and is more difficult to install, but can be well worth the investment.

 


Updated: August 30th 2008


Grout Joint Width - I have a remodel job being done on our master bath. 13x20 tiles are being used both in the shower and the main floor. I told them I don't want any grout line to speak of. The shower is almost complete. They pushed the tiles totally together (which I don't think is right) and there are gaps in other areas. I have as of today talked to a business that sells tile and asked them about this and they said there has to be a grout line in between the tiles, whether it is 1/16, 1/8 but tht there has to be space. Is this right and what is the smallest space that can be used? These people told me that there has to be some sort of a grout line because of possible movement in the wall. I plan on this same tile to be used on the floor in the bathroom so I want to get this right. Please Help!!! ASAP!

ANSWER - Tiles should have gaps called grout joints to compensate for the irregularities of the tile dimensions, to support the tile edge, and to keep water from readily reaching the back side of the tile.  Some tiles have spacers/lugs on the side that give it a predetermined grout joint width.  Most don't have lugs.  4-1/4 x 4-1/4 inch tiles normally have lugs and have a 1/16 inch wide joint and you must use a non-sanded grout because sanded grout won't fit in that tight of a joint.  Most tiles should have at least a 1/8 inch wide joint.  Some tiles require an even larger grout joint width to help compensate for the irregularity of the tile dimensions.

The wall should not significantly move and the grout joints will not compensate for walls that move.

Good Luck!


Updated: March 23rd 2008


Warming Tile - We are building a new home and I am wondering which type of tile would be warmer on the feet,ceramic or porcelain? It will be installed on a subfloor.

ANSWER - Porcelain tile is a type of ceramic tile.  They are both clay based material. Generally Porcelain tile is more dense than many ceramic tiles, but not always.  There is no significant difference in using one dense tile versus the other for floor warming.

Actually today there are floor warming systems that can be incorporated into the tile installation as a reasonable cost.  There are electrical floor warming systems that are thin and there are radiant heating systems that require a thicker application for embedding the water pipes for the hot water to run through.  Each as there pros and cons.  For more information on floor warming systems go to our website at www.CTaSC.com and visit the Resources and Links section of the site under Floor Warming Systems http://www.ctasc.com/Resources_and_Links/Floor_Warming_Systems/Floor_Warming_System.html.

Good Luck!


Updated: March 22nd 2008


Travertine Tile installed on a Laminate Countertop - Can travertine tile be installed directly to a kitchen laminate countertop or would a backer board be needed? Thanks

ANSWER - It is possible to bond stone to a plastic laminate top if you use the appropriate type of thin-set adhesive.  The laminate would have to be scarified in preparation for the tile installation.  The problem is that the bond is only as good as the laminate is bonded to its substrate.  The counter top cannot have any deflection greater than L/360.  It would be better to attach the backer board over the laminate first so you get a good bond and a more sturdy substrate.  Travertine is porous and can stain.  You can seal it, but you will have to maintain it regularly.  Go to our References and Links page and look under Installation Products and follow the links to the manufacturers' websites for more information.

Good Luck!


Updated: March 6th 2008


Flush Sinks in Granite Top - Granite counter top sink cutouts are not as I ordered. I ordered the sink cutouts on counter tops made for our kitchen to be made FLUSH with the sink bowls.The sink manufacturer specified this on the prep sink cutout for accessories but not on the two bowl sink. I ordered the two bowl to be flush as well to match.They had both sinks in house and I provided them detailed drawings for reference.The tops were delivered with a 3/16 reveal on both sinks. The fabricator claims they are both to industry standards and refused to replace them. They say my directions were not writen into the contract so I should take them the way they are or take them to court. Do I have a legitimate gripe here or am I stuck with tops? Where could I acquire a copy of "industry standards"for the granite counter top industry? I tried the local BBB and NARI. They could not help.

ANSWER - The Marble Institute of America (MIA) Design Manual does not discuss flush mounted sinks.  It is more common to have a reveal and not common to flush mount sinks.  I would be concerned about the transition joint between the slab and sink and I would make sure it is properly treated with an appropriate sealant (caulking) as it would tend to be a point of failure that could lead to water intrusion under the cabinet.

If the sink specifications were clearly communicated as being flush mounted then it should have been installed that way.

The MIA website is at www.marble-institute.com if you want to check with them.

Good Luck!


Updated: February 26th 2008


Should I use a Mortar Bed or a Backer Board under the tile - I have torn out my 7'x7' bathroom floor including what i think was a mortar bed - (a very sandy mixture). Now my floor is down to the concrete slab which is too low for me to install my tile. How do I raise or make a new mortar bed to raise my floor up at least 1 1/2"? Do I still need to apply backer board too after this is done or just put the tile directy on the new bed?

ANSWER - The best installation method for your situation is to install a mortar bed over the concrete slab to the correct height so your tile finish is at the correct elevation.  Then thin-set the tile directly to the mortar bed unless you want a waterproof/crack isolation membrane, which then you have to install that first.

There is no need to use a backer board for this type of application.  It is necessary that the installer understands and has experience at installing mortar beds properly.  There are many variables to consider to determine what type of mortar bed and which method to use.  Most important is to understand the condition of the slab and to properly prepare it for the tile application. 

To get some guidelines on how the mortar bed and tile should be installed go to our website under FAQ Ceramic Tile and Stone Installations and go to question/answer #45 to download an installation guideline.


Updated: February 24th 2008


Grouting Shower Walls - do I need to grout the wall tiles in my bathroom shower?

ANSWER - Yes you should definitely grout the wall tile in your shower.

In theory it shouldn't matter if you grout or not (if you like that look), but from experience we have found that when there are flaws in the shower assembly the grout can help minimize the problems because it is creating some degree of a barrier, even though it may be a  porous cement grout, to the tile backing. 

Also an open grout joint is likely to collect dust and other debris and would tend to develop microbial growth (mold), which isn't good.

So grout does provide support of the tile edge,  helps to keep water from reaching the substrate face, and can minimize microbial growth.

Good Luck!


Updated: February 20th 2008


Sealant/Caulking for Tile next to Woodstove - Need to use AccuColor sanded siliconized acrylic latex caulk around tiles being installed near a woodstove. Wanted to know if it can withstand high temperatures after application. The areas exposed to heat will only be about 120 degrees max. probably. Nothing was mentioned on caulk tube about temps it could withstand. Only mentioned temps in regards to when product is applied. Thank-you

ANSWER - AccuColor sanded siliconized acrylic latex caulk does not meet industry standard ASTM C920, per TCNA EJ171 Movement Joints, and should not be used in tile or stone installations.  It is commonly used in tile and stone installations because it is easier for the installer to use and less expensive.  The Siliconized latex sealant caulkings do not last long and do not perform well. 

You should be using an ASTM C920 sealant such as a silicone or urethane type which perform substantially better.  Some are more heat and weather resistant than others.  Check with the sealant manufacture to determine which product you should use. Building Supply stores normally stock this type of material of the home centers stock the silicone type.  If you want to paint the sealant and you use silicone be sure to get the paintable type because most silicones can't be painted.  Some of the manufacturers of these types of sealants are Dow Corning, GE, Degussa, Sika, Laticrete Lataseal, and others. 

Good Luck!


Updated: January 31st 2008


Sealant and Backer Rod for Bath tub to wall tile joint transition - I would like to try using polyethylene backer rod to solve my problem of a crack at the joint between the tub and the tile. What size backer rod should I be trying to use? With water in the tub, the crack was opening up to close to 1/4 inch. (Without water it's negligible.)

ANSWER - The polyethylene backer rod is not likely the cause of your cracking at the tub to shower wall transition, but if there is room for it in that joint, then you should use it to fill the excess space and to gauge the thickness of the sealant you are using.

Generally the transition between the tub and tile on the wall is either wrongly filled with cementitious grout or the installer wrongly fills (caulks) it with a latex sealant sometimes referred to as a caulking.   The latex sealants don't perform well, don't have warranties, and do not last long.

Our industry standards requires that an ASTM C920 sealant be used which is either a 100% silicone (not Siliconized latex) or a urethane sealant; there are other types.  These types of sealants will last for years and have warranties. 

Our industry standards says to use a polyethylene backer rod to fill up excess space in the joint.  The backer rod should be larger than the joint and be compressed into it.  The backer rod will fill up the excess space plus you can control how thick the sealant will be on top of the backer rod filling the joint.  The sealant cannot be applied too thick or too thin for it to perform correctly.  Follow the sealant manufacturer's instructions, but normally it should be at least 1/8" thick and not thicker than 1/2".  Normally the manufacturer requires the use of a primer prior to apply the sealant.

Based on your description that when the tub is full of water the joint is less than 1/4" wide, I would put in the 1/4" backer rod with the tub full of water, and apply the sealant without water in the tub. This is based on the joint being deep enough so you can apply between a 1/8" to 1/4" thick sealant on top if allowed by the sealant manufacturer. If 1/4" backer rod is too thick then use a smaller one; you can get it as thin as 1/8".  If 1/8" backer rod is too thick then don't use a backer rod.

Good Luck!


Updated: January 24th 2008


Exterior Deck Installation - We are going to set porcelain tile on an exterior wood deck next week. We will install cementitious backer board first. Question is, since weather will likely be in 30's and 40's in the mornings, do we need to use a special thinset? We use a very good quality polymer fortified thinset for most every job. Will this be OK in the colder temps? We're talking high desert in AZ.

ANSWER - Beware of exterior decks and particularly when they are over a wood substrate.  There are many exterior deck failures that become very expensive to replace.

The TCNA handbook does not show an exterior deck over wood framing, but only over a concrete slab.  There are notes in the TCNA handbook that says with appropriate precautions you can install over a wood substrate for exterior applications that are not subject to freeze thaw conditions by using either a wire reinforced mortar bed per TCNA F141 or with cementitious backer board (CBU) per TCNA F144.

Keep in mind that only exterior grade plywood is recommended for the subfloor and the bottom of the plywood deck needs to be covered so it isn't subject to getting damp.  If the plywood gets wet it will expand and warp. 

The substrate can not have excessive deflection and must be in conformance with IRC and other applicable building codes.  Deflection can not exceed 1/360 of the span when measured under a 300 lb concentrated load.

You need to slope the deck to a drain or to the edge of the deck into a drainage trough so the water can escape and not cause staining at the edges.  There needs to be a waterproof membrane over the sloped surface with a slope to drain of 1/4" per foot within the membrane surface. 

I'm not sure how you are going to create your slope with CBU, but you could try to apply a patch material that is designed to be applied at 1" thick and down to a feather edge. It would be better to put a roofing membrane on the wood subfloor and then apply a wire reinforced mortar bed sloped to drain and then apply another waterproof membrane on its surface.

Schluter (www.schluter.com) has a system called Bekotec that is used with their Detra membrane system that they might recommend for this application.

Of course you need to have expansion joints at the perimeters and throughout every 8' to 12' in each direction.  The expansion joint sealant must meet ASTM C920 per TCNA EJ171 and installed correctly (this is not latex caulking, but rather a structural silicone or a urethane sealant).

You will need to put a tent up and use electrical heaters to keep the surface at least over 40 degrees F.  Don't use propane heaters because they can cause problems.  Check out the data sheet for the modified thin-set you are using and follow their instructions.

It is not easy or cheap to do it the right way, but on the other hand it gets extremely expensive if it fails. 

 


Updated: January 9th 2008


Installing 18" x 18" tile in a bathroom - I am tiling my bathroom and want to use 18x18 tiles on the wall (wet area over backer board, dry area over drywall). Can I do that? Is there anything special I would need?

ANSWER - Yes you can install 18 x 18 inch ceramic tiles or stone tiles over a backer board in the shower and over drywall in the adjacent bathroom wall area if done correctly.  Most ceramic tiles and stones would be suitable for this application, but you must confirm with the product's manufacturer and producer.

The shower has to be properly waterproofed first.  The shower pan has to be constructed correctly to allow for proper slope and waterproofing.  The walls have to have moisture barrier behind the backer board.  The transition areas have to be caulked with a proper sealant including the transition from the backerboard to the drywall.  The drywall should be water resistant green board or better e.g. Denshield.

There are a lot of things that need to be done correctly to ensure a good performing and lasting tile installation.  For guidelines to a proper installation click on the following link: CTaSC Installation Guidelines.

Good Luck!


Updated: December 16th 2007


Installations over CMU (concrete masonry unit)- Applying ceramic tile directly over CMU with latex modified mortar thin set on exterior wall, what type of waterproofing / moisture barrier do you apply on CMU ? Or do you even recommend the method of direct application of ceramic tile on CMU with thin set mortar ? Thanks,

ANSWER - Yes, you can bond directly to CMU if it is properly prepared.  Normally it is not completely plumb and flat.  It can be ground down and evened up with thin-set.  CMU is a big source of salts that lead to efflorescence, so it is advisable to apply a waterproof membrane that meets ANSI A118.10 such as a liquid applied material the manufacturers of tile setting materials manufacturer.  It should run up and over the top of the wall.  The backside of the wall should be waterproofed if it is against soil.  If the CMU is way off it would be better to shoot in 3.4 galvanized self-furred metal lath and apply scratch coat and mortar.  Then apply the waterproof membrane.

We do provide quality assurance and quality control services for tile and stone installations for architects and others.  If you want to ensure a successful installation, then you need to determine the suitability of the tile for the application and installation method.  Then you need specific installation guidelines and a quality control plan to be implemented by a third party.  For more


Updated: October 18th 2007


Slab Stone Vanity Installation - I had a company install Giallo Ornamental in my bath. I thought they were going to do a 2cm with a laminated edge on a plywood base. In fact, the owner showed me his shop and the high quality plywood. When the stone arrived at my home it was only 2cm. Apparently there was a big miscommunication error and I know have no plywood base. The granite it installed with two vessel sinks (one hole is cut so that the bowl rests down 3" within the granite and has no support). I worry about the strength of the countertop as one stretch is a diamond shape and is 54" long. Please let me know if it is better to have it ripped up and done the way I expected or to just put decking underneath the slab and within the cabinet. Thank you for your help.

ANSWER - If you ordered 3 cm slab stone and received 2 cm then you didn't get what you paid for and should be reimbursed or have it replaced.  2 cm stone can work fine for a vanity if installed correctly with an apron to make it look thicker if you like that look.

You don't have to have a subtop (plywood base) for a vanity top that is 2 cm or thicker unless the stone is considered fragile (marble class C or less) and is not supported over a long span.  If you do have a subtop then you need to have an apron edge to cover the subtop edge.

The sink can be undermount using an appropriate sealant only if the stone is not fragile and the sink not too heavy.  I prefer to see mechanical attachments.   Good Luck!


Updated: August 29th 2007


Installing Stone over Exterior Porch - I would like to install stone tile over a crawl space in a unheated porch. Will it work? Temp. range 90to -5.

ANSWER - Stone that is freeze thaw stable can be used under the freezing conditions you mention.  Normally that means the absorption rate of the stone should be 1% or less such as some granites, slates or quartzite’s.

It is important that the porch does not have excessive deflection and is structural sound.  The porch also must be weather proof in terms of the underside not being subjected to moisture.  Good Luck!


Updated: August 19th 2007


Install Floor Tile at Cabinets - I'm planning on changing my ceramic tiles in the house. My problem is how do I do it without moving the kitchen or vanity cabinets? I can move the fridge and stove to re-tile, but moving the cabinets is a big undertaking. Is there any device where I can cut the tile where the bottom of the cabinet touches the floor?

ANSWER - You don't need to remove your cabinets. You should use a wet saw with a diamond blade to cut to the cabinets, but leave a 1/4" wide open joint between the tile and cabinet for expansion.

Fill (caulk) that 1/4" joint with a 100% silicone or a urethane sealant that meets ASTM C920.  I would recommend putting a tile base or wood base on top of this to cover the joint, so it looks better.

If the tile does not come with a base trim then cut 3" to 4" off the end of a tile with the uncut tile edge up.  Some edges will have a glaze over-spray and look better so use those.

I would also undercut at the door jams so the tile slides under the jam rather than try to cut around the door jam.  Be sure to leave a gap between the tile edge and back edge under the door jam.


Updated: June 20th 2007


Installing over Wood - Is it possible to tile a wood stair case without having cracks in the grout and tile after a few years?

ANSWER - It is always best to attach ceramic tile or stone tile to a concrete substrate that is very structurally sound and with little deflection.

It is possible and legitimate to bond tile to an exterior grade plywood subfloor as long as it is structurally sound, does not have any deflection greater than L/360 for ceramic tile or L/720 for stone tile.  The wood can not be subjected to any moisture.  You need to use an epoxy adhesive or an EGP polymer modified or latex modified thin-set that meets ANSI A118.11 to bond the tile to the exterior grade plywood.

It would be better to apply a moisture barrier and cementitious backer board to the stairs first, but it still needs to meet the deflection requirements.

Good Luck!


Updated: April 23rd 2007


Sound Control Flooring Systems - I need info for material recommended for sound dampening underlayment material to be installed atop concrete flooring & under ceramic tile. Our Condo Association requires but can't find source.

ANSWER - Beware that there are many thin underlayments sold as sound control mats for ceramic tile and stone installations that do not significantly reduce sound transmission under certain floor configurations.  The product data sheet for the sound control mats may show sound control performance values of a 50 STC and 50 IIC, but they may only be based on floors that have a suspended ceiling underneath and may not show any significant benefit if there isn't a suspended ceiling, which is the key to sound control for that application.

There are some cork and other sound control mats that are as thin as 1/2 inch that do claim that they can achieve the IIC of 50 and at 56 STC over an 8 inch thick suspended concrete slab.

There are other sound control systems that can achieve much hire ratings for either floor configuration, but will require thicker and more expensive floor configurations.  You should always be sure to work with a sound consultant or a tile consultant such as www.CTaSC.com.

 


Updated: April 7th 2007


Tile over Tile Installation - I am considering installing travertine or marble flooring over existing 8" ceramic tile. The job is less than 1000 square feet and the existing tile is very secure and level. Also, the additional height to the floor will not pose any problems. Can you please provide any tips or advice regarding this situation. I am thinking there would be a specific type of thin-set which one would need to use in order to obtain excellent adherence to the smooth tile surface.

ANSWER - It is an industry acceptable method to install tile over tile.  The first important step is to verify that the existing tile is bonded substantially well to the substrate, since it is the foundation and your new installation and will be no better than its weakest point.  Make sure there are no cracks, loose or hollow sounding tiles.  Next is to scarify (grind) and thoroughly clean the surface of the existing tile to remove any contaminates (dirt, sealers, etc) that could act as a bond breaker.  Then select a thin-set mortar for bonding the new tile to the old.  The thin-set should meet ANSI A118.4 and be latex or polymer modified thin-set and be recommended for this application.  Go to our Resources and Links section of our website at the “Installation Products” section to find a manufacturer with the appropriate thin-set who offers at least a Single Source 10 year labor and material warranty.   Be sure to install ¼” wide expansion joints at the perimeter of the installation and throughout the installation every 20 to 25 feet in each direction.

Good Luck!


Updated: April 1st 2007


Do Not Install over Plywood for Exterior Use - I am looking for an adhesive for an outdoor red clay mural we are making at our school. The flat clay figures have been kiln fired. They will be attached to plywood. The school is on the CA Central Coast. The temperatures range from low 30's to low 90's. Thank you for any help you can give us. We made one mural several years ago using mastic and some pieces have fallen off. Thank you!

ANSWER - First of all you should not be installing the clay tiles to plywood if it is going to be used outdoors.  Plywood is moisture sensitive and will expand and contract leading to warpage and tiles falling off.  Using mastic compounds the problem because mastic is not a long lasting adhesive.

You should use a cementitious backer board for attaching the clay figures.  You can buy them at Home Depot or Lowe's or any tile store.  The common size is 3' x 5', but there are larger sizes, and it comes in 1/4" thin or 1/2" thick.

Normally a thin-set mortar is used to bond the clay tiles to the cementitious board.  If the clay tiles are porcelain then you need to use an ANSI A118.4 modified thin-set mortar that provides better bonding for the impervious porcelain clay. 

Good Luck!


Updated: January 27th 2007


Install Stone Over Wood Subfloor - We are getting ready to install Travertine Natural Stone 18"X18" in our kitchen. It is a raised wooden subfloor. I am worried about the weight of the stone. There is a solid concrete wall underneath the two long sides of the kitchen. There are plenty of concrete pillars in the middle of the floor. Do you have any suggestions to ease my mind? or resources?

ANSWER - I can’t really determine if your floor is sturdy enough for the Travertine tiles by your description.  If your floor isn’t sturdy enough it can be adjusted to be sturdier.

The concern on whether your existing floor is sturdy enough to hold the weight of stone is an issue of whether the floor will have excessive deflection or not when subjected to a 300 lb concentrated live load per the standards.

That means once the floor is installed and you have people or objects going over it will it deflect too much.  The marble standard over a wood subfloor as you have is 1/720, which means that the floor can not deflect more than 0.0167 of an inch up and 0.0167 of an inch down within a 24 inch span.

Your floor has joists and depending on the type of joists, the spacing of the joists, what type of subfloor you have on top of the joists, and type of a tile installation assembly you install on top of it will determine if your floor is constructed correctly.

You need to hire a structural engineer to determine whether your floor is sturdy enough or not.  If not, then the structural engineer can prescribe how to further brace it to be sturdy enough.

Rule of thumb is that if you put a full glass of water on a table on the wood subfloor and you jump up and down you shouldn’t feel a bounce and the water should not spill.

It is best to install the tile over a cement base or a cementitious backer board following TCNA Tile Installation guidelines.  Good Luck!


Updated: January 15th 2007


Propane Heater Problems - My contractor says portable propane heat is ok to use when installing ceramic tile. The tile stores say NO. Who is right?

ANSWER - Manufacturer's of the installation products for ceramic tile and stone caution to not use propane heaters.  The reason is because the propane heaters emit carbon dioxide that can lead to a condition called carbonation in the surface of the new concrete that can lead to debonding of the tile. It is also known to cause problems when using epoxies during the installation.

It is best to use electrical heating to maintain the floor surface temperatures and ambient air temperatures that are required by the manufacturer of the installation products.  The manufacturers do provide data sheets on the use of each of their products, which should be read and followed.


Updated: January 5th 2007


Installing Tile on wood stair risers - I am interested in installing some ceramic tiles on staircase risers. I removed old carpeting from the staircase and got down to the wood staircase. I would like to leave the treads wood and install possibly Talavera tiles over the remaining wood substrate risers. What might be the recommended procedures and can I install the ceramic tile over the wood without using backerboard as well.

ANSWER:   I assume this is an interior application.

There are products that will allow you to bond ceramic tile to exterior grade plywood, but it is not considered the best substrate to bond to.  It would be better to use a cementitious backer board.

Make sure the stairs are sturdy.  Thin-set and screw in a cement backer board (CBB) onto the wood risers.  Thin-set your tile onto the cement backer board using an appropriate multi-purpose polymer or latex modified thin-set for the tile you are using.  Leave a 1/4" gap along the perimeter of the tile to any restraining surface and caulk it with a silicone or urethane sealant that meets ASTM C920.  Grout your tile with a polymer or latex modified grout.

Good Luck!


Updated: December 12th 2006


Modified Thin-set Cementitious Adhesives - Can you tell me the difference between latex modified thin-set and polymer modified thin-set?
ANSWER: There are modified thin-set adhesives that meet ANSI A118.4.  They can either me latex modified thin-set where you add the appropriate liquid latex rather than water or there are polymer modified thin-sets that have dry polymers in the powder and when you add water it activates them to give similar performance as the latex modified thin-set.
Updated: October 25th 2006


Old Thin-set Removal - The first floor of my house is currently comprised of carpet in the living areas and tile in the kitchen and major hallways. I would like to install travertine through out the entire first floor. I've removed all the tile, but the thinset used to attatch the old tile is firmly attached to the concrete. The height difference between the thinset and the concrete foundation (after I removed the carpet) is negligible. Is it critical that I remove (scarify) all the adhering thinset on the floor prior to installing travertine? What is your recommended floor preparation under these circumstances? I want the foundation to be solid and the job to be done correctly, and would greatly appreciate your advice. My house is 12 years old and is located in the area of Phoenix, AZ. Thank you very much.

ANSWER - There is much to consider in preparation when installing stone or ceramic tile, and during the installation process.  I will only respond to your specific question, so my answer in itself will not ensure a successful installation.

It is a good sign that the thin-set adhesive from the old ceramic tile has bonded well to the concrete slab.  To achieve a nice flat surface for the travertine tile then the substrate needs to be relatively flat and consistent.  You can compensate for some irregularities in the concrete slab with the thin-set mortar, but it can be a problem if you use too much thin-set.  Too much thin-set is more expensive, it can cause excessive shrinkage that can lead to other problems, and it is more difficult to achieve an over all flat travertine surface.

I would recommend trying to remove as much of the thin-set as possible and then use an appropriate modified thin-set to skim over the rough surfaces to smooth it out and to achieve a flat surface.     Good Luck!


Updated: August 26th 2006


Tile Installation over Cracks - I am building a house in Florida, and the slab is a year old, and its cracked. Before I install the ceramic tile, should I use any kind of underlayment to prevent the tile from cracking, and if yes, what kind? Can I use roof paper as an underlayment? I will appreciate your answer, thank you!

Answer:  You can not install ceramic tile or stone over cracked concrete without making repairs or providing additional protection or the cracks will continue through the tiles.

If the cracks are structural cracks (they move vertically) then the concrete slab is defective and needs to be properly repaired as determined by a structural engineer.

If the cracks are shrinkage cracks (horizontal movement only) then with some limitations you can isolate those cracks with an appropriate crack isolation membrane meeting ANSI A118.12.  You can isolate only the cracks or apply to the whole floor for full projection.  Go to our www.CTaSC.com website under resources and installation products to get links to manufacturers who provide these products at CTaSC Resources Installation Products.

You can not use a roofing paper for crack isolation because it doesn't meet the ANSI standards and under certain conditions it is known to fail.

Good Luck!


Updated: August 20th 2006


Installing over Formica - I wish to cover my formica counter tops with 12" x 12" marble tiles. Question. Can I secure the tiles directly onto the formica and if so, what adhesive do you recommend?

There are epoxy adhesives that will allow you to bond ceramic tile directly to Formica, but that application is not recommended by industry standards. Of course if the Formica ever comes loose so does everything else.  There are some alterations that would have to be made if your existing edges are round.  You would have to scarify the surface of the Formica first to remove any bond breakers.

It would be best to take a cementitious backer board and glue and screw if over the Formica, per the backer board's instructions, and then install the marble on to the backer board with a modified thin-set that meets ANSI A118.4.  Good Luck!


Updated: May 8th 2006


Shower base Tile - Do Wall tiles need to sit on top of floor tiles in wet areas?
The lower course tile in a vertical wet area should be above the floor tile and there should be a joint there of 1/4" that is properly treated as a movement joint per TCA EJ171 filled with a proper sealant to meet ASTM C920 (silicone, urethane, polysulfide).  Good Luck!
Updated: April 24th 2006


Removing Ceramic Tile - What is the best way to remove the tile on my bathroom walls? Is there a way to put wooden paneling over it?

The method used to remove ceramic tile depends on what it is attached to and what was used to attach it.

 

Normally ceramic tile is tenaciously attached and requires a lot of effort to remove.  It is likely that the removal of the ceramic tile will also pull off the substrate to which it is attached to some degree.

 

In theory you could attach the wood paneling to the ceramic tile with some sort of an adhesive.  You need to check with the manufacture of the wood paneling to determine if it is recommended and how best to approach it. 

 

Good Luck!


Updated: January 23rd 2006


Installing over Existing Tile - IN MY KITCHEN WE HAVE THE WORST LOOKIN TILE ON THE WALLS EVER HOW COULD I STUCCO OVER IT OR CAN IT BE DONE I WAS TOLD THAT I COULD USE STUCCO AND PAINT OVER IT WILL THIS WORK ?? OR WILL IT BE A NIGHTMARE? THANKS FOR ANY HELP YOU CAN GIVE.

In theory you can stucco over ceramic tile, but the conditions have to be correct and you have to prepare the tile in a special way.

 

First, you have to be sure that the tile is well attached and structurally sound to support the added layer.

 

Stucco does not have much cement in it and is fairly weak, so you can not apply it directly to the ceramic tile.

 

The ceramic tile needs to be scarified and a skim coat of a latex/polymer modified thin-set would then need to be applied.  Then you can apply a stucco finish over the thin-set.  Then you can paint it if you wish.

 

In stead of the stucco, you can thin-set new ceramic tile or stone to the existing tile after properly preparing the tile as described above.  Good Luck!


Updated: January 4th 2006


Movement joint at wall perimeter - What do you think of running tile to the baseboard and then grouting between the baseboard and the tile? Would this increase the chances of tile cracking?

You should always have at least a 1/4" gap between the tile and the wall it abuts.  If you but a base on top of the tile it will cover the gap, so you don't have to fill it.  If you run the tile to the existing wood baseboard then you have to fill that gap with a quality sealant such as 100% silicone.
 
Installing a 3" or 4" tall tile along the base looks good and is very functional in protecting the walls as you mop and helps keep the bugs out.  BUT... you need to use a quality sealant such as 100% silicone at that transition joint.  Do not hard grout it in or use the cheap latex caulking.  Good Luck!

Updated: September 9th 2005


Exterior Tile Installation - We purchased some ceramic tiles showing St. Jude in Santa Fe recently. We would like to use them outside in a small shrine. What should they be mounted on, with what type of mastic and what kind of grout. Maryland weather can be freezing or hot. The tiles would be covered on top, back and sides but open in the front.

I will briefly give you some idea of how you need to proceed.  Our company does consult with architects and owners on specifying installation systems at the rate of $200 per hour and we could assist you if you wanted to employ our services.

 

Concrete is always the best surface to attach tile.

Never use mastic on exterior applications because it isn't a long lasting type of adhesive.

 

Climatic conditions are important.  Your tile needs to be a freeze thaw stable with a water absorption rate of less than 3% or it can be damaged from the freezing.  You need to use a quality type of sealant at the transition joints such as an exterior grade silicone sealant.  Grout can be cementitious if the rest of the system works well.  There are impervious epoxy grouts you can use.  I would also recommend using a waterproof membrane over the concrete substrate before you attach the tile.

 

You should visit our website under Resources and links and under Installation products to see some of the various products and systems available.

 

Good Luck!


Updated: August 9th 2005


Installing Thin Glass Deco Inserts - We’re using GE Silicon to glue a piece of our glass mosaic to a piece of Formica in order to increase the thickness so it can be dropped into a stone border design. Do you see any drawbacks to this? The scored Formica back will be in contact with the thinset, or whatever setting method is used for the stone. The piece of glass will not be more than 2”x2”. Will the silicon yellow in sunlight? Can the silicon withstand freeze-thaw cycles? Any other questions I should be asking the manufacturer?

What you are suggesting doesn’t meet any industry standards, so if something goes wrong you buy it.   In theory the silicone will bond the glass tile to the Formica, but there are some questions.  1.  If the backing to the glass isn’t flat and consistent it may show through the glass.  2.  If too much silicone is applied it may compress with point loads and could cause the glass to crack.  3.  Is maybe the silicone will yellow.  You have to check with the manufacturer.  I would expect silicone to be freeze thaw stable, but you should confirm.  Also check and see if it is being used on an exterior application because you have to make sure it is suitable for that exterior exposure.

 

You have to make sure that the thin-set adhesive will bond the Formica to the substrate.  Some modified thin-sets will bond to some vinyl but you have to see if it will bond to Formica.

 

If you are using the Formica to build it up like only a ¼”, then you can use a medium bed thin-set to do that during the installation.  That is how it is normally done.  If you have to go thicker you can use cement backer board to thin-set to the slab where the hole is left after installing the stone, and then thin-set the glass to it.  Or if you do it like some of the old pros you can make a box-screed.  You key in the thin-set to the glass and then put it into a boxed frame so the top of the box is how thick you want the tile to end up, and then apply mortar on top of that and screed it off flat.  Then thin-set that piece to the substrate.


Updated: July 18th 2005


Removing the old tile - I have a 15 year old outdoor patio consisting of 12 x 12 ceramic tiles placed over a cement foundation. The tiles are cracking and I would like to remove tiles (slippery, indoor tiles) and replace them with outdoor tile. My problem is how do I remove the tiles along with the adhesive to make the cement "clean and level" to accept new tiles?

First thing is to determine why the tile cracked, so you can make sure your new installation does not crack.

 

If the cracks are structural (vertical movement) you have to do some major repairs.  If the cracks are simply shrinkage cracks then you can apply a crack isolation sheet over it and then install the tile to it.

 

What to use to remove the tile depends on what was used to attach them to the concrete.  If it was a cementitious thin-set adhesive and the tile is well bonded then you need to use a chisel and hammer or use a jack hammer with a wide chisel end.  Next either chisel, grind or blast the slab to remove all of the adhesive and to leave a nice clean and abraded surface.  If too much of the slab came with the tile then you need to apply a cementitious patch material to flatten, level or slope the surface.  Assuming the cracks are shrinkage cracks then apply a crack isolation membrane and thin-set the tile to the membrane with a good quality latex or polymer modified thin-set.  For a list of major manufacturers who make these products go to our website under Links and Resources under Installation Products (click here).   Good Luck!


Updated: July 17th 2005


Removing Ceramic Tile - I have job to remove thousands of sq. ft of ceramic tiles. Any suggestions on the type of equipment to remove the ceramic tiles and adhesive (thinset)? We are not allowed to use any equipment that will produce odor within the building.

What to use to remove a lot of ceramic tile depends on how well it is bonded to the substrate.  If it is bonded well then you should use a jack hammer with a wide flat head.  If it comes up easy then you could probably use the larger floor scrappers.  Either way there will be dust, but there isn't any odor from any type of chemicals.  Good Luck!


Updated: June 16th 2005


Selecting an Installer - where would I start to find a good contractor and the best job for the price? Where would I begin? What should I be looking for? What questions should I remember to ask a contractor? Please respond if this is possible.

I would have to write a book to answer all your questions.  So I will give you an abbreviated version.

1. Ask the larger ceramic tile supply companies in your area for names of quality installers who do custom work.  Expect to pay more for a quality installer.
2. Ask the installer for pictures and referrals to substantiate he is a detailed and quality minded installer, and is responsible.
3. Select a single source installation product system from a major manufacturer of installation products and tell the installer he has to use it and meet their requirements for the installation warranty.  The major companies offer special labor and material warranties if you use their complete system with their better quality products.
4. Hire a quality control inspector to make sure it is installed correctly.

Good Luck!


Updated: March 21st 2005

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